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Peter Bol

Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:43 PM

Beverly is correct. Academia Sinica operates through institutional licenses (not individual subscription). My understanding is that institutional subscription is a one-time fee of a few thousand dollars. It will, I think, save libraries a great deal of money while providing access to more works than most can afford.
Inquiries can be directed to the Vice-Director of the Institute of History, Prof. Liu Cheng-yun <cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw>
Peter Bol

Beverly Bossler wrote: > Dear all,

My limited experimentation suggests that this may only be available through Academia Sinica for those whose institutions have subscribed to provide full rights to all of the database. I can find /Xu zi zhi tong jian chang bian /by searching the shu mu on the Hanji dianzi wenxian ziliao ku site, but cannot seem to get access to the full text (there is a link to click for access to the full text, but when I do so nothing happens). If I'm mistaken or doing something wrong, please let me know!
Best, Beverly

Peter Bol wrote:

It is also available (and searchable) online through the Acadmia SInica website (Hanji dianzi wenxian ziliao ku, ç·¨å¹´å?² section)
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Michael Fuller wrote:

Dear All,

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I would like to introduce Jeff Howard, who was a student of Hok-lam Chan many years ago.Â As he explains, at that time he was writing a dissertation on Zheng Qiao but dropped out of academia for around 32 years. He has now retired and is interested in continuing his work on the Song.

He began his studies at the UofW with Jack Dull and was working on Han religion. (Howard, Jeffrey A. â€œConcepts of Comprehensiveness and Historical Change in the/ Huai-nan-tzu/.â€? In Henry Rosemont, /Explorations in Early Chinese Cosmology/,/ Journal of the American Academy of Religion/, 50.2 (1984):119-31). However he became interested in Chinese historiography and finally settled on the Song and Zheng Qiao.Â His interest now is still Song historiography and also factionalism in the Northern Song.

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He has a question that someone may be able to answer:Â â€œI was able to buy volumes 2 through 20 of the Zhonghua edition Li Tao's /Xu Zi zhi tong jian chang bian /from Brian McKnight who I believe has retired. Do you know of a source for the remaining volumes?â€?

Yours truly,

Â

Michael

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psmith@haverford.edu

Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:06 PM

Folks, I recently communicated with Liu Cheng-yun, and the upshot is that
the fee to institutions is $2500 per year. There are no individual
subscriptions, as Peter points out. I can't see asking Haverford to pay
that much for me, and I'm not sure they'd do it. But I'd like to suggest
that we approach Liu Cheng-yun about treating The Society for Song-Yuan
Studies as an institutional subscriber, with the Society collecting
pro-rated access fees from our members. I can imagine two ways of doing
that:

1] Ac Sin charges the Society $2500/year, which we bundle into the journal
subscription fee with access to each journal subscriber. I don't know how
that would work out at the Berkeley end where the money is collected
though.

2] The Society collects a pro-rated fee from all members interested in
gaining access to the database. Many members might have access through
their home institutions, so would not need Society access.

I'm sure there are other workable variations. If the idea seems
worthwhile we need someone to negotiate with Liu Cheng-yun; and then if
that succeeds, we need to devise a way to collect fees, pay Academia
Sinica, and allocate the necessary passwords. I don't know Prof. Liu, but
I think a good case can be made in the merits for treating the Society as
a subscribing institution: it will generate additional if modest revenue
on a fixed cost for Academia Sinica that they would not otherwise get, and
it will make a valuable resource available to the larger Song-Yuan
community irrespective of home institution.

Does this seem worth pursuing?

Best to all,

Paul

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Beverly is correct. Academia Sinica operates through institutional licenses (not individual subscription). My understanding is that institutional subscription is a one-time fee of a few thousand dollars. It will, I think, save libraries a great deal of money while providing access to more works than most can afford. Inquiries can be directed to the Vice-Director of the Institute of History, Prof. Liu Cheng-yun <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw"><cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw></a> Peter Bol Beverly Bossler wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:4A9BEF92.5000407@ucdavis.edu" type="cite">Dear all, My limited experimentation suggests that this may only be available through Academia Sinica for those whose institutions have subscribed to provide full rights to all of the database. I can find /Xu zi zhi tong jian chang bian /by searching the shu mu on the Hanji dianzi wenxian ziliao ku site, but cannot seem to get access to the full text (there is a link to click for access to the full text, but when I do so nothing happens). If I'm mistaken or doing something wrong, please let me know! Best, Beverly

Folks, I recently communicated with Liu Cheng-yun, and the upshot is that the fee to institutions is $2500 per year. There are no individual subscriptions, as Peter points out. I can't see asking Haverford to pay that much for me, and I'm not sure they'd do it. But I'd like to suggest that we approach Liu Cheng-yun about treating The Society for Song-Yuan Studies as an institutional subscriber, with the Society collecting pro-rated access fees from our members. I can imagine two ways of doing that: 1] Ac Sin charges the Society $2500/year, which we bundle into the journal subscription fee with access to each journal subscriber. I don't know how that would work out at the Berkeley end where the money is collected though. 2] The Society collects a pro-rated fee from all members interested in gaining access to the database. Many members might have access through their home institutions, so would not need Society access. I'm sure there are other workable variations. If the idea seems worthwhile we need someone to negotiate with Liu Cheng-yun; and then if that succeeds, we need to devise a way to collect fees, pay Academia Sinica, and allocate the necessary passwords. I don't know Prof. Liu, but I think a good case can be made in the merits for treating the Society as a subscribing institution: it will generate additional if modest revenue on a fixed cost for Academia Sinica that they would not otherwise get, and it will make a valuable resource available to the larger Song-Yuan community irrespective of home institution. Does this seem worth pursuing? Best to all, Paul > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> > <html> > <head> > <meta content="text/html;charset=windows-1252" > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > </head> > <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> > Beverly is correct. Academia Sinica operates through institutional > licenses (not individual subscription). My understanding is that > institutional subscription is a one-time fee of a few thousand dollars. > It will, I think, save libraries a great deal of money while providing > access to more works than most can afford. > Inquiries can be directed to the Vice-Director of the Institute of > History, Prof. Liu Cheng-yun <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" > href="mailto:cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw"><cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw></a> > Peter Bol > > Beverly Bossler wrote: > <blockquote cite="mid:4A9BEF92.5000407@ucdavis.edu" type="cite">Dear > all, > > My limited experimentation suggests that this may only be available > through Academia Sinica for those whose institutions have subscribed to > provide full rights to all of the database. I can find /Xu zi zhi tong > jian chang bian /by searching the shu mu on the Hanji dianzi wenxian > ziliao ku site, but cannot seem to get access to the full text (there > is a link to click for access to the full text, but when I do so > nothing happens). If I'm mistaken or doing something wrong, please let > me know! > > Best, Beverly > >

LW

Linda Walton

Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:58 PM

Paul,
Thanks for filling us in on this, and I think this is definitely an idea
worth pursuing. I've tried to access this in the past, as Beverly
described, and given up. I know my institution could not afford the
annual fee and there are doubtless many others in the same position.
Linda

psmith@haverford.edu wrote:

Folks, I recently communicated with Liu Cheng-yun, and the upshot is that
the fee to institutions is $2500 per year. There are no individual
subscriptions, as Peter points out. I can't see asking Haverford to pay
that much for me, and I'm not sure they'd do it. But I'd like to suggest
that we approach Liu Cheng-yun about treating The Society for Song-Yuan
Studies as an institutional subscriber, with the Society collecting
pro-rated access fees from our members. I can imagine two ways of doing
that:

1] Ac Sin charges the Society $2500/year, which we bundle into the journal
subscription fee with access to each journal subscriber. I don't know how
that would work out at the Berkeley end where the money is collected
though.

2] The Society collects a pro-rated fee from all members interested in
gaining access to the database. Many members might have access through
their home institutions, so would not need Society access.

I'm sure there are other workable variations. If the idea seems
worthwhile we need someone to negotiate with Liu Cheng-yun; and then if
that succeeds, we need to devise a way to collect fees, pay Academia
Sinica, and allocate the necessary passwords. I don't know Prof. Liu, but
I think a good case can be made in the merits for treating the Society as
a subscribing institution: it will generate additional if modest revenue
on a fixed cost for Academia Sinica that they would not otherwise get, and
it will make a valuable resource available to the larger Song-Yuan
community irrespective of home institution.

Does this seem worth pursuing?

Best to all,

Paul

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Beverly is correct. Academia Sinica operates through institutional licenses (not individual subscription). My understanding is that institutional subscription is a one-time fee of a few thousand dollars. It will, I think, save libraries a great deal of money while providing access to more works than most can afford. Inquiries can be directed to the Vice-Director of the Institute of History, Prof. Liu Cheng-yun <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw"><cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw></a> Peter Bol Beverly Bossler wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:4A9BEF92.5000407@ucdavis.edu" type="cite">Dear all, My limited experimentation suggests that this may only be available through Academia Sinica for those whose institutions have subscribed to provide full rights to all of the database. I can find /Xu zi zhi tong jian chang bian /by searching the shu mu on the Hanji dianzi wenxian ziliao ku site, but cannot seem to get access to the full text (there is a link to click for access to the full text, but when I do so nothing happens). If I'm mistaken or doing something wrong, please let me know! Best, Beverly

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Paul, Thanks for filling us in on this, and I think this is definitely an idea worth pursuing. I've tried to access this in the past, as Beverly described, and given up. I know my institution could not afford the annual fee and there are doubtless many others in the same position. Linda psmith@haverford.edu wrote: > Folks, I recently communicated with Liu Cheng-yun, and the upshot is that > the fee to institutions is $2500 per year. There are no individual > subscriptions, as Peter points out. I can't see asking Haverford to pay > that much for me, and I'm not sure they'd do it. But I'd like to suggest > that we approach Liu Cheng-yun about treating The Society for Song-Yuan > Studies as an institutional subscriber, with the Society collecting > pro-rated access fees from our members. I can imagine two ways of doing > that: > > 1] Ac Sin charges the Society $2500/year, which we bundle into the journal > subscription fee with access to each journal subscriber. I don't know how > that would work out at the Berkeley end where the money is collected > though. > > 2] The Society collects a pro-rated fee from all members interested in > gaining access to the database. Many members might have access through > their home institutions, so would not need Society access. > > I'm sure there are other workable variations. If the idea seems > worthwhile we need someone to negotiate with Liu Cheng-yun; and then if > that succeeds, we need to devise a way to collect fees, pay Academia > Sinica, and allocate the necessary passwords. I don't know Prof. Liu, but > I think a good case can be made in the merits for treating the Society as > a subscribing institution: it will generate additional if modest revenue > on a fixed cost for Academia Sinica that they would not otherwise get, and > it will make a valuable resource available to the larger Song-Yuan > community irrespective of home institution. > > Does this seem worth pursuing? > > Best to all, > > Paul > > > >> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> >> <html> >> <head> >> <meta content="text/html;charset=windows-1252" >> http-equiv="Content-Type"> >> </head> >> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> >> Beverly is correct. Academia Sinica operates through institutional >> licenses (not individual subscription). My understanding is that >> institutional subscription is a one-time fee of a few thousand dollars. >> It will, I think, save libraries a great deal of money while providing >> access to more works than most can afford. >> Inquiries can be directed to the Vice-Director of the Institute of >> History, Prof. Liu Cheng-yun <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" >> href="mailto:cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw"><cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw></a> >> Peter Bol >> >> Beverly Bossler wrote: >> <blockquote cite="mid:4A9BEF92.5000407@ucdavis.edu" type="cite">Dear >> all, >> >> My limited experimentation suggests that this may only be available >> through Academia Sinica for those whose institutions have subscribed to >> provide full rights to all of the database. I can find /Xu zi zhi tong >> jian chang bian /by searching the shu mu on the Hanji dianzi wenxian >> ziliao ku site, but cannot seem to get access to the full text (there >> is a link to click for access to the full text, but when I do so >> nothing happens). If I'm mistaken or doing something wrong, please let >> me know! >> >> Best, Beverly >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org > -- Linda Walton Professor of History Portland State University P.O. Box 751 Portland, OR 97207-0751 (tel) 503.725.3004 (fax) 503.725.3953

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Chaffee, John

Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:07 PM

Like others who have responded, I strongly support Paul's idea and would be willing to make an annual contribution (apart from the cost of JSYS) to help support the cost of the subscription.

John

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To: Peter Bol
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Subject: [Song-Yuan Listserv] Academia Sinica text database

Folks, I recently communicated with Liu Cheng-yun, and the upshot is that
the fee to institutions is $2500 per year. There are no individual
subscriptions, as Peter points out. I can't see asking Haverford to pay
that much for me, and I'm not sure they'd do it. But I'd like to suggest
that we approach Liu Cheng-yun about treating The Society for Song-Yuan
Studies as an institutional subscriber, with the Society collecting
pro-rated access fees from our members. I can imagine two ways of doing
that:

1] Ac Sin charges the Society $2500/year, which we bundle into the journal
subscription fee with access to each journal subscriber. I don't know how
that would work out at the Berkeley end where the money is collected
though.

2] The Society collects a pro-rated fee from all members interested in
gaining access to the database. Many members might have access through
their home institutions, so would not need Society access.

I'm sure there are other workable variations. If the idea seems
worthwhile we need someone to negotiate with Liu Cheng-yun; and then if
that succeeds, we need to devise a way to collect fees, pay Academia
Sinica, and allocate the necessary passwords. I don't know Prof. Liu, but
I think a good case can be made in the merits for treating the Society as
a subscribing institution: it will generate additional if modest revenue
on a fixed cost for Academia Sinica that they would not otherwise get, and
it will make a valuable resource available to the larger Song-Yuan
community irrespective of home institution.

Does this seem worth pursuing?

Best to all,

Paul

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Beverly is correct. Academia Sinica operates through institutional licenses (not individual subscription). My understanding is that institutional subscription is a one-time fee of a few thousand dollars. It will, I think, save libraries a great deal of money while providing access to more works than most can afford. Inquiries can be directed to the Vice-Director of the Institute of History, Prof. Liu Cheng-yun <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw"><cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw></a> Peter Bol Beverly Bossler wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:4A9BEF92.5000407@ucdavis.edu" type="cite">Dear all, My limited experimentation suggests that this may only be available through Academia Sinica for those whose institutions have subscribed to provide full rights to all of the database. I can find /Xu zi zhi tong jian chang bian /by searching the shu mu on the Hanji dianzi wenxian ziliao ku site, but cannot seem to get access to the full text (there is a link to click for access to the full text, but when I do so nothing happens). If I'm mistaken or doing something wrong, please let me know! Best, Beverly

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Like others who have responded, I strongly support Paul's idea and would be willing to make an annual contribution (apart from the cost of JSYS) to help support the cost of the subscription. John ________________________________ From: listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org on behalf of psmith@haverford.edu Sent: Mon 8/31/2009 1:06 PM To: Peter Bol Cc: listserv@songyuan.org Subject: [Song-Yuan Listserv] Academia Sinica text database Folks, I recently communicated with Liu Cheng-yun, and the upshot is that the fee to institutions is $2500 per year. There are no individual subscriptions, as Peter points out. I can't see asking Haverford to pay that much for me, and I'm not sure they'd do it. But I'd like to suggest that we approach Liu Cheng-yun about treating The Society for Song-Yuan Studies as an institutional subscriber, with the Society collecting pro-rated access fees from our members. I can imagine two ways of doing that: 1] Ac Sin charges the Society $2500/year, which we bundle into the journal subscription fee with access to each journal subscriber. I don't know how that would work out at the Berkeley end where the money is collected though. 2] The Society collects a pro-rated fee from all members interested in gaining access to the database. Many members might have access through their home institutions, so would not need Society access. I'm sure there are other workable variations. If the idea seems worthwhile we need someone to negotiate with Liu Cheng-yun; and then if that succeeds, we need to devise a way to collect fees, pay Academia Sinica, and allocate the necessary passwords. I don't know Prof. Liu, but I think a good case can be made in the merits for treating the Society as a subscribing institution: it will generate additional if modest revenue on a fixed cost for Academia Sinica that they would not otherwise get, and it will make a valuable resource available to the larger Song-Yuan community irrespective of home institution. Does this seem worth pursuing? Best to all, Paul > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> > <html> > <head> > <meta content="text/html;charset=windows-1252" > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > </head> > <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> > Beverly is correct. Academia Sinica operates through institutional > licenses (not individual subscription). My understanding is that > institutional subscription is a one-time fee of a few thousand dollars. > It will, I think, save libraries a great deal of money while providing > access to more works than most can afford. > Inquiries can be directed to the Vice-Director of the Institute of > History, Prof. Liu Cheng-yun <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" > href="mailto:cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw"><cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw></a> > Peter Bol > > Beverly Bossler wrote: > <blockquote cite="mid:4A9BEF92.5000407@ucdavis.edu" type="cite">Dear > all, > > My limited experimentation suggests that this may only be available > through Academia Sinica for those whose institutions have subscribed to > provide full rights to all of the database. I can find /Xu zi zhi tong > jian chang bian /by searching the shu mu on the Hanji dianzi wenxian > ziliao ku site, but cannot seem to get access to the full text (there > is a link to click for access to the full text, but when I do so > nothing happens). If I'm mistaken or doing something wrong, please let > me know! > > Best, Beverly > > _______________________________________________ Listserv mailing list Listserv@mail.songyuan.org http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

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Clark, Hugh

Wed, Sep 2, 2009 2:19 PM

Couldn't access be arranged through the Society's website? I would
think a password-controlled access would be feasible. Because of
endless headaches with IEAS around the journal, I would strongly oppose
any arrangement through them.

HRC

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Like others who have responded, I strongly support Paul's idea and would
be willing to make an annual contribution (apart from the cost of JSYS)
to help support the cost of the subscription.

John

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psmith@haverford.edu

Sent: Mon 8/31/2009 1:06 PM

To: Peter Bol

Cc: listserv@songyuan.org

Subject: [Song-Yuan Listserv] Academia Sinica text database

Folks, I recently communicated with Liu Cheng-yun, and the upshot is
that

the fee to institutions is $2500 per year. There are no individual

subscriptions, as Peter points out. I can't see asking Haverford to pay

that much for me, and I'm not sure they'd do it. But I'd like to
suggest

that we approach Liu Cheng-yun about treating The Society for Song-Yuan

Studies as an institutional subscriber, with the Society collecting

pro-rated access fees from our members. I can imagine two ways of doing

that:

1] Ac Sin charges the Society $2500/year, which we bundle into the
journal

subscription fee with access to each journal subscriber. I don't know
how

that would work out at the Berkeley end where the money is collected

though.

2] The Society collects a pro-rated fee from all members interested in

gaining access to the database. Many members might have access through

their home institutions, so would not need Society access.

I'm sure there are other workable variations. If the idea seems

worthwhile we need someone to negotiate with Liu Cheng-yun; and then if

that succeeds, we need to devise a way to collect fees, pay Academia

Sinica, and allocate the necessary passwords. I don't know Prof. Liu,
but

I think a good case can be made in the merits for treating the Society
as

a subscribing institution: it will generate additional if modest revenue

on a fixed cost for Academia Sinica that they would not otherwise get,
and

it will make a valuable resource available to the larger Song-Yuan

community irrespective of home institution.

Does this seem worth pursuing?

Best to all,

Paul

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

<html>

<head>

http-equiv="Content-Type">

</head>

Beverly is correct. Academia Sinica operates through institutional

licenses (not individual subscription). My understanding is that

institutional subscription is a one-time fee of a few thousand

dollars.

It will, I think, save libraries a great deal of money while providing

access to more works than most can afford.

Inquiries can be directed to the Vice-Director of the Institute of

History, Prof. Liu Cheng-yun <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"

href="mailto:cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw"><cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw

</a>

Peter Bol

Beverly Bossler wrote:

<blockquote cite="mid:4A9BEF92.5000407@ucdavis.edu" type="cite">Dear

all,

My limited experimentation suggests that this may only be available

through Academia Sinica for those whose institutions have subscribed

to

provide full rights to all of the database. I can find /Xu zi zhi tong

jian chang bian /by searching the shu mu on the Hanji dianzi wenxian

ziliao ku site, but cannot seem to get access to the full text (there

is a link to click for access to the full text, but when I do so

nothing happens). If I'm mistaken or doing something wrong, please let

me know!

Best, Beverly

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Couldn't access be arranged through the Society's website? I would think a password-controlled access would be feasible. Because of endless headaches with IEAS around the journal, I would strongly oppose any arrangement through them. HRC -----Original Message----- From: listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org [mailto:listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org] On Behalf Of Chaffee, John Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:08 AM To: psmith@haverford.edu; Peter Bol Cc: listserv@songyuan.org Subject: Re: [Song-Yuan Listserv] Academia Sinica text database Like others who have responded, I strongly support Paul's idea and would be willing to make an annual contribution (apart from the cost of JSYS) to help support the cost of the subscription. John ________________________________ From: listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org on behalf of psmith@haverford.edu Sent: Mon 8/31/2009 1:06 PM To: Peter Bol Cc: listserv@songyuan.org Subject: [Song-Yuan Listserv] Academia Sinica text database Folks, I recently communicated with Liu Cheng-yun, and the upshot is that the fee to institutions is $2500 per year. There are no individual subscriptions, as Peter points out. I can't see asking Haverford to pay that much for me, and I'm not sure they'd do it. But I'd like to suggest that we approach Liu Cheng-yun about treating The Society for Song-Yuan Studies as an institutional subscriber, with the Society collecting pro-rated access fees from our members. I can imagine two ways of doing that: 1] Ac Sin charges the Society $2500/year, which we bundle into the journal subscription fee with access to each journal subscriber. I don't know how that would work out at the Berkeley end where the money is collected though. 2] The Society collects a pro-rated fee from all members interested in gaining access to the database. Many members might have access through their home institutions, so would not need Society access. I'm sure there are other workable variations. If the idea seems worthwhile we need someone to negotiate with Liu Cheng-yun; and then if that succeeds, we need to devise a way to collect fees, pay Academia Sinica, and allocate the necessary passwords. I don't know Prof. Liu, but I think a good case can be made in the merits for treating the Society as a subscribing institution: it will generate additional if modest revenue on a fixed cost for Academia Sinica that they would not otherwise get, and it will make a valuable resource available to the larger Song-Yuan community irrespective of home institution. Does this seem worth pursuing? Best to all, Paul > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> > <html> > <head> > <meta content="text/html;charset=windows-1252" > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > </head> > <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> > Beverly is correct. Academia Sinica operates through institutional > licenses (not individual subscription). My understanding is that > institutional subscription is a one-time fee of a few thousand dollars. > It will, I think, save libraries a great deal of money while providing > access to more works than most can afford. > Inquiries can be directed to the Vice-Director of the Institute of > History, Prof. Liu Cheng-yun <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" > href="mailto:cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw"><cyliu@mail.ihp.sinica.edu.tw ></a> > Peter Bol > > Beverly Bossler wrote: > <blockquote cite="mid:4A9BEF92.5000407@ucdavis.edu" type="cite">Dear > all, > > My limited experimentation suggests that this may only be available > through Academia Sinica for those whose institutions have subscribed to > provide full rights to all of the database. I can find /Xu zi zhi tong > jian chang bian /by searching the shu mu on the Hanji dianzi wenxian > ziliao ku site, but cannot seem to get access to the full text (there > is a link to click for access to the full text, but when I do so > nothing happens). If I'm mistaken or doing something wrong, please let > me know! > > Best, Beverly > > _______________________________________________ Listserv mailing list Listserv@mail.songyuan.org http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org _______________________________________________ Listserv mailing list Listserv@mail.songyuan.org http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

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