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Executive Session - Agenda Language

KR
Kay Robbins Wall
Wed, Jan 22, 2025 10:08 PM

Fellow Attorneys:
I am reviewing 25 O.S. 307 B4 regarding Executive Session to discuss pending investigation claim or action. Do I need to state on the agenda item who the investigation, litigation, or proceeding concerns? This is an instance where we have not yet received evidence of litigation or a claim, but City Hall has received calls and visits which make me think a claim is to be received shortly. My Council members have called and related such to me. 
If any of you have a format that you use for this Executive Session item, it would be appreciated. 
Thank you, 
Kay Wall

Fellow Attorneys: I am reviewing 25 O.S. 307 B4 regarding Executive Session to discuss pending investigation claim or action. Do I need to state on the agenda item who the investigation, litigation, or proceeding concerns? This is an instance where we have not yet received evidence of litigation or a claim, but City Hall has received calls and visits which make me think a claim is to be received shortly. My Council members have called and related such to me.  If any of you have a format that you use for this Executive Session item, it would be appreciated.  Thank you,  Kay Wall
RJ
Ray Jones
Wed, Jan 22, 2025 10:42 PM

Kay,

The exact language of the statute states you can have executive sessions for the purpose of:

Confidential communications between a public body and its attorney concerning a pending investigation, claim, or action if the public body, with the advice of its attorney, determines that disclosure will seriously impair the ability of the public body to process the claim or conduct a pending investigation, litigation, or proceeding in the public interest.

So my two cents here is based purely from a plain readying of the statute.

Since there is no pending claim or civil action filed, the question becomes: Do the “calls and visits” that city hall is getting constitute a pending investigation?

In short, if there is some type of investigation moving forward with respect to the calls and visits, then that investigation might constitute a basis for going into executive session.  If no investigation has commenced, then there would not be a basis for mere “calls and visits.”

Say for example, four citizens call and complain about the public works department’s work in an easement that has damaged the citizen’s trees.  If there is no investigation into the complaints, then you cannot have an executive session.  But, if the city attorney, city manager, and public works director meet and discuss the complaints, obtain some information about who was involved, the scope of the work, etc. Imagine if you were collecting information to submit to OMAG or insurance carrier, if there were a tort claim filed. Then it could be argued that there has been an investigation, even if meager, and an executive session could be had if the other part of the statute is satisfied.  The executive session can only be had for confidential communications between the attorney and public body about the legal claims/civil actions, defenses or claims, etc. that can arise from the event.

The other language in the section “disclosure will seriously impair the ability of the public body to conduct the investigation” frames the scope of the “confidential communications.” Facts are facts, and if all you are doing is reporting factual information to the public body about a pending investigation, I do not believe you can have an executive session.  Essentially, you have to be able to discuss the legal ramifications, theories, defenses, claims, etc. of the event that stem from the investigation.

Taking the example above, you could lay out the facts learned from the investigation, and then go into the discussion of potential liability for damages for wrongfully cutting down trees under title 23, exceptions and defenses under title 11, etc.

Best,

Ray

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Fellow Attorneys:

I am reviewing 25 O.S. 307 B4 regarding Executive Session to discuss pending investigation claim or action. Do I need to state on the agenda item who the investigation, litigation, or proceeding concerns? This is an instance where we have not yet received evidence of litigation or a claim, but City Hall has received calls and visits which make me think a claim is to be received shortly. My Council members have called and related such to me.

If any of you have a format that you use for this Executive Session item, it would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Kay Wall

Kay, The exact language of the statute states you can have executive sessions for the purpose of: Confidential communications between a public body and its attorney concerning a pending investigation, claim, or action if the public body, with the advice of its attorney, determines that disclosure will seriously impair the ability of the public body to process the claim or conduct a pending investigation, litigation, or proceeding in the public interest. So my two cents here is based purely from a plain readying of the statute. Since there is no pending claim or civil action filed, the question becomes: Do the “calls and visits” that city hall is getting constitute a pending investigation? In short, if there is some type of investigation moving forward with respect to the calls and visits, then that investigation might constitute a basis for going into executive session. If no investigation has commenced, then there would not be a basis for mere “calls and visits.” Say for example, four citizens call and complain about the public works department’s work in an easement that has damaged the citizen’s trees. If there is no investigation into the complaints, then you cannot have an executive session. But, if the city attorney, city manager, and public works director meet and discuss the complaints, obtain some information about who was involved, the scope of the work, etc. Imagine if you were collecting information to submit to OMAG or insurance carrier, if there were a tort claim filed. Then it could be argued that there has been an investigation, even if meager, and an executive session could be had if the other part of the statute is satisfied. The executive session can only be had for confidential communications between the attorney and public body about the legal claims/civil actions, defenses or claims, etc. that can arise from the event. The other language in the section “disclosure will seriously impair the ability of the public body to conduct the investigation” frames the scope of the “confidential communications.” Facts are facts, and if all you are doing is reporting factual information to the public body about a pending investigation, I do not believe you can have an executive session. Essentially, you have to be able to discuss the legal ramifications, theories, defenses, claims, etc. of the event that stem from the investigation. Taking the example above, you could lay out the facts learned from the investigation, and then go into the discussion of potential liability for damages for wrongfully cutting down trees under title 23, exceptions and defenses under title 11, etc. Best, Ray From: Kay Robbins Wall via Oama <oama@lists.imla.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2025 4:09 PM To: Oama List <oama@lists.imla.org> Subject: [Oama] Executive Session - Agenda Language External Email: Use caution when opening links, attachments or responding to this email. Fellow Attorneys: I am reviewing 25 O.S. 307 B4 regarding Executive Session to discuss pending investigation claim or action. Do I need to state on the agenda item who the investigation, litigation, or proceeding concerns? This is an instance where we have not yet received evidence of litigation or a claim, but City Hall has received calls and visits which make me think a claim is to be received shortly. My Council members have called and related such to me. If any of you have a format that you use for this Executive Session item, it would be appreciated. Thank you, Kay Wall
TM
Tom Marcum
Thu, Jan 23, 2025 2:26 PM

Kay, in what I remember to be my very first meeting as a city attorney, the
Council convened an executive session to discuss a "possible claim", a
claim that was likely imminent but one that had not yet been presented.
The Council had had this practice for years.  Nevertheless, the City got
sued on this one and lost.  Because the claim was not yet pending but only
existed as a possible claim at the time of the meeting the court ruled that
the executive session was not proper in that instance.  It seems you may
have a similar circumstance - a possible claim but not yet a pending claim.

Tom

On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 4:10 PM Kay Robbins Wall via Oama <
oama@lists.imla.org> wrote:

Fellow Attorneys:

I am reviewing 25 O.S. 307 B4 regarding Executive Session to discuss
pending investigation claim or action. Do I need to state on the agenda
item who the investigation, litigation, or proceeding concerns? This is an
instance where we have not yet received evidence of litigation or a claim,
but City Hall has received calls and visits which make me think a claim is
to be received shortly. My Council members have called and related such to
me.

If any of you have a format that you use for this Executive Session item,
it would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Kay Wall

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Kay, in what I remember to be my very first meeting as a city attorney, the Council convened an executive session to discuss a "possible claim", a claim that was likely imminent but one that had not yet been presented. The Council had had this practice for years. Nevertheless, the City got sued on this one and lost. Because the claim was not yet pending but only existed as a possible claim at the time of the meeting the court ruled that the executive session was not proper in that instance. It seems you may have a similar circumstance - a possible claim but not yet a pending claim. Tom On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 4:10 PM Kay Robbins Wall via Oama < oama@lists.imla.org> wrote: > Fellow Attorneys: > > I am reviewing 25 O.S. 307 B4 regarding Executive Session to discuss > pending investigation claim or action. Do I need to state on the agenda > item who the investigation, litigation, or proceeding concerns? This is an > instance where we have not yet received evidence of litigation or a claim, > but City Hall has received calls and visits which make me think a claim is > to be received shortly. My Council members have called and related such to > me. > > If any of you have a format that you use for this Executive Session item, > it would be appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Kay Wall > -- > Oama mailing list -- oama@lists.imla.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oama-leave@lists.imla.org > -- Thomas Marcum Durant City Attorney tmarcum@durant.org