T&T, Why I stay
I think I have been with this list since around early 1998. Anybody been
here longer? I am not even sure of the inception date.
I have looked at a lot of other forums, but I feel that the list is still
the best place to find or offer knowledgeable trawler-related info. When
you consider the number of subscribers and the fact that all trawler owners
are opinionated individualists, the percentage of offensive posts here is
quite small. The worst trap you can find yourself in here is having to have
the last word on something. I am not talking about the endless variations
and possibilities offered on subjects by intelligent folks (I like that a
lot); I am talking about mean-spirited know-it-alls. I am more impressed
with a point made by the person with a persuasive argument than I am with
the last thing I read on a topic.
The list is like a living organism or a tight neighborhood with mood swings,
and I have come to accept the fact that off-topic stuff gets into the list
and that people of good will misunderstand email intent and argue. I have
doubtless sinned, but my intention is to reply neither on- nor off-list to
wrong-headedness in the hope that the poster will cease and desist through
lack of re-stimulating responses - to respond is to throw gas on the
poster's fire; don't do it. Don't sucker in and respond to silliness and
political cant.
Thin-skinned folks should be able to participate in this list without fear
of having being directly challenged in an offensive manner (read the rules,
folks), but I have seen a few people get huffy and leave for things I
considered trivial. It is their loss in the long haul - I think they should
just be quiet and read if they attach personal honor to every post they
make.
Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL (near Panama City)
I think I have been with this list
since around early 1998. Anybody been
here longer? I am not even sure of the inception
date.
I doubt that anyone could add anything else to that post, and improve what was said. But then, I think the same way.
But, maybe then Rich is going for the top poster spot, ya'll think?
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
"I doubt that anyone could add anything else to that post, and improve what
was said. But then, I think the same way.
But, maybe then Rich is going for the top poster spot, ya'll think?
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl"
No, Rudy, I think you know I am far from the precincts of the most prolific
posters. Too much exposure to me will get peoples' eyes rolling back into
their heads.
Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL (near Panama City)
far from the precincts of
the most prolific
posters.
Okay Rich, fess up, who really writes your posts?
Rudy
I have a ghost writer who automatically receives all my messages. I simple
indicate to that person (I think she lives in India, judging by her accent)
whether or not I want a response. She writes it and sends it to me where I
copy it into an email blank and shoot it out to the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rudy and Jill [mailto:rudysechez@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:45 PM
To: Rich Gano
Cc: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: RE: Why I stay
far from the precincts of
the most prolific
posters.
Okay Rich, fess up, who really writes your posts?
Rudy
Rich wrote:
I think I have been with this list since around early 1998. Anybody been
here longer? I am not even sure of the inception date.
Reply:
There are a whole bunch of us that have been around since the late 90s. I
do not know when it all started but I think Kim and I joined pretty early
on. We have 1996 Trawler Fest T-shirts so I think we were there <g> I miss
some of the TWL old timers and since we are at the end of another decade
maybe it's worth remembering a few:
-
Alex Hirsekorn taught me everything I know about oil for a diesel
engine. -
Paul Kruse knew everything about everything. I hope he finished his
dream fishing boat and made a bundle. -
Wil Andrews "invented" fuel polishing and opened our eyes to the issues
related to storage of fuel. -
Joe Engel once suffered the "Rudy treatment" when he announced that he
did not use a ratchet crimping tool. The entire list jumped on him. After
two or three days he said "OK, I'll go buy one and use it." You could hear
a pin drop. -
Arild, thanks for being the house electrician and hanging around this
long.
There are many many many others.
Happy New Year.
Eric Thoman
Abyssinia
"Kim Boyce & Eric Thoman" kimeric@gocarefully.com writes:
- Joe Engel once suffered the "Rudy treatment" when he announced that he
did not use a ratchet crimping tool. The entire list jumped on him. After
two or three days he said "OK, I'll go buy one and use it." You could hear
a pin drop.
By the way, for what it's worth: both Dieter (my boat electrician) and I own
a Ancor ratchet crimping tool, and when we started work on Island Eagle
that's what we both used. In the course of the renovation, which I estimate
involved crimping AT LEAST 5,000 connectors and hence 10,000 crimps, we both
decided to switch to Klein 1005 non-ratcheting crimpers:
http://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-Insulated-Non-Insulated-Terminals/dp/B0006M6Y5M
There are a couple of reasons for this switch:
-
We both found that given certain conditions, the ratcheting crimpers had a
tendency to apply slightly too much pressure on the main crimp, which
resulted in the insulation on the connector being split. -
We found the same thing on the secondary crimp, but in that case it was
the wire insulation that was cut. By the way this was happening with Ancor
cable and Ancor connectors. -
The ratcheting crimpers are quite bulky and require a fair bit of working
room, whereas the Klein plier-style is easier to snake into a tight area. -
The Kleins have a very handy pair of sidecutters on the nose, which are
perfect for trimming both the ends of wires as well as nipping zip-ties. -
The longer handles of the Kleins are much easier on your hand muscles in
the long run.
All in all I have been very happy with this change, and I believe that it has
substantially improved with the speed and quality of the job.
As an aside, if anyone on the list needs any wiring done in the Nanaimo BC
area, I would HIGHLY recommend Dieter.
Scott Welch
Chief Evangelist, Open Text Social Media Group
www.opentext.com
905 762 6101
"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn
out." - John Wooden
The T&T is a community of boaters.
A big part of these lists is the community that develops....kind of like a
group of people living at the marina, a campground or condo association.
Lots of great folks, maybe a few odd ducks. Different backgrounds,
capabilities, experiences and lots of opinions....kind of what makes the
engines spin! Folks usually have a lot to contribute and the diversity of
answers is the value.
Off topic topics usually come from existing posts, not someone starting a
primary post about an off topic subject like religion or politics. I was
recently yelled at for a posting on each of these lists (t&t, loop). One
was following a string where Rachael Carlson's Silent Spring was mentioned
and I did a follow on about the environmental improvements and continuing
needs. It was not intended to be political but some readers apparently
would see it that way. A normal perception maybe. Other readers sent me
complimentary messages on the same post. That's good balance!
Posting Tennis, trying to get the last word before it drops, is pretty
obvious to most readers and Rich is right....just let it go and it will
usually go away. I get a daily digest and choose which topic to open so
it's easy to bypass the strings which are not of interest or obviously off
topic. But sometimes these off topic posts are of interest or too tempting
to ignore. They can also be educational and informative. So maybe they are
tolerated for a while. The delete key is an easy way to address the issue
too!
Humor is a very important part of life...being able to laugh with others is
also part of the list. There are some Old Salts and great characters here.
As long as it's not hurtful, it adds to the forum and grows in the
community of characters. One has to laugh at many of the off topic posts
and unfortunately they are probably perpetuated through some baiting humor
too.
I learned a long time ago that you can keep some of the people happy some of
the time but you will never keep all the people happy all the time, so don't
try. Our diversity is actually the strength of the list and it helps to
have thick skin, a ducks back and a good perspective on life....a lot of
that can come from being alive and owning an old trawler and cruising!
Cruising on into 2010
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Gano" richgano@gmail.com
The list is like a living organism or a tight neighborhood with mood
swings,
and I have come to accept the fact that off-topic stuff gets into the list
and that people of good will misunderstand email intent and argue. I have
doubtless sinned, but my intention is to reply neither on- nor off-list to
wrong-headedness in the hope that the poster will cease and desist through
lack of re-stimulating responses - to respond is to throw gas on the
poster's fire; don't do it. Don't sucker in and respond to silliness and
political cant.
Thin-skinned folks should be able to participate in this list without fear
of having being directly challenged in an offensive manner (read the
rules,
folks), but I have seen a few people get huffy and leave for things I
considered trivial. It is their loss in the long haul - I think they
should
just be quiet and read if they attach personal honor to every post they
make.
I was on the list in the late 90'swhen I was based in Hong Kong. Then off
for a while and now back on again
Eric you missed one other name Peggy Hall
Rob Harrington-Johnson
Sydney
Rich wrote:
I think I have been with this list since around early 1998. Anybody been
here longer? I am not even sure of the inception date.
Reply:
There are a whole bunch of us that have been around since the late 90s. I
do not know when it all started but I think Kim and I joined pretty early
on. We have 1996 Trawler Fest T-shirts so I think we were there <g> I miss
some of the TWL old timers and since we are at the end of another decade
maybe it's worth remembering a few:
-
Alex Hirsekorn taught me everything I know about oil for a diesel
engine. -
Paul Kruse knew everything about everything. I hope he finished his
dream fishing boat and made a bundle. -
Wil Andrews "invented" fuel polishing and opened our eyes to the issues
related to storage of fuel. -
Joe Engel once suffered the "Rudy treatment" when he announced that he
did not use a ratchet crimping tool. The entire list jumped on him. After
two or three days he said "OK, I'll go buy one and use it." You could hear
a pin drop. -
Arild, thanks for being the house electrician and hanging around this
long.
There are many many many others.
Happy New Year.
Eric Thoman
Abyssinia