passagemaking@lists.trawlering.com

Passagemaking Under Power List

View all threads

Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about

PS
Peter Sheppard
Tue, Apr 13, 2010 4:56 AM

Hannu,

Thought I would suggest that you shouldn't mess with Rick. He is so
tough I saw him killed three times in a movie, and he popped up again as
a jury member at the end.

No in all seriousness, this site is about passagemaking, and this trip
of Jessica's is about one of the aspects that is the hardest to endure
for passagemakers, being frightened for your life from time to time, and
the debilitating mental state that's endured from sheer loneliness and
solitude.

I reckon this young girl will pop up one day and really make a
contribution to sailing. If not she will still have been a beacon and
inspiration to young people that they can be tougher than they think
they are, and climb their own mountain. Could be something like getting
off drugs for instance.

When she finishes high school she will be out there in all the schools
inspiring self esteem for the students I'd guess.

Finally you are completely entitled to your opinion, so don't fret about
any backlash because we live in a freedom of speech world - I think!

Peter
PS Watching her weather across the Southern Ocean live at the moment.
She's bouncing a bit I bet.

-----Original Message-----
From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf
Of passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2010 2:00 PM
To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 65, Issue 3

Send Passagemaking-Under-Power mailing list submissions to
passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com

You can reach the person managing the list at
passagemaking-under-power-owner@lists.samurai.com

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Passagemaking-Under-Power digest..."

Today's Topics:

  1. Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about
    (Peter Sheppard)
  2. Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about
    (hannu venermo)
  3. Jessica Watson (Rick MacClure)
  4. Jessica Watson (Rick MacClure)
  5. Re: Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about
    (Ross Anderson)
  6. Re: Jessica Watson (Ron Rogers)

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:28:16 +1000
From: "Peter Sheppard" Peter@petersheppard.com.au
To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PUP] Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just
about
Message-ID: D045C5F90D4F4B4EB8D0200BC2CD77755FD100@server1
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I for one was highly skeptical about this young Aussie girl making it
around the world after hitting a ship on her shakedown cruise. I take it
all back now as she has it almost wrapped up.
This is a credit to a young persons need to dream, have the courage, and
the perseverance to pull it off. A sure testament to her character, and
the understanding and belief from of her oft slated parents.
Notice she underplayed Cape Horn against crossing the Great Australian
Bight. When I crossed it last year I had the chance to stay in Port
until the weather was right. This young lady has to take what is dished
out at the time.
God speed to her.
Regards,
Peter

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/jessica-watson-on-home-surf/story-e6frf
7jo-1225852224544


Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List

End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 65, Issue 2



Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:24:30 +0200
From: hannu venermo hanermo@amorco.net
To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PUP]  Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just
about
Message-ID: 4BC2F4DE.6090307@amorco.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Risky, unnecessary, silly stunt.

What did she do to advance the art of sailing ?
A: NOTHING.

She made it, and well done. Good for her.
I am sure she is a good sailor - and so what ?

Did she finance, plan and execute the whole thing ?
A: NO.

What was the purpose of the trip ?
Publicity.

Just because a stunt succeeds, does not mean that it should have been
attempted in the first place.
It4s like people diving (racing, flyint, driving etc..) and taking silly

unnecessary risks. Contemptible.

Just because you can (or have) (once) cross a busy intersection at
100mph against a red light without slowing, should not mean that it is
either advisable, smart, respectable or something to brag about.

I am all for adventure (and have lived a life with more of it than most)

and travel.
Respect, mitigation of risks and ability to learn, train and measure
situations are all a part of the responsibilities one assumes with the
ability and choice of doing the above.

Calling it a silly, risky and unnecessary stunt in no way takes away
from her (very real) abilities.
It4s a good accomplishment, that should not have been done, imo.


Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:19:36 +1000
From: Rick MacClure r-mack@bigpond.com
To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PUP] Jessica Watson
Message-ID: C7E94CF8.7FD%r-mack@bigpond.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

You wrote - (Just because a stunt succeeds, does not mean that it should
have been
attempted in the first place.
It4s like people diving (racing, flyint, driving etc..) and taking silly
unnecessary risks. Contemptible.)
That would have to be the stupidest comment I have ever read, If humans
had
never taken risks then where would we be today, there would be no
planes, no
submarines, no high rise buildings, no fights into space, no heart
operations, the list is endless and there would be no one living the
passage
making dream unless they had trained for say 20, 30, perhaps 40 years
does
that time frame sound reasonable and safe to you.
As a film Stunt Coordinator, Stunt Performer, Cave Diver, Commercial
Diver,
Parachutist, Motor Cycle racer and much much more, I take risks all the
time
(all be it as calculated as possible) as much as walking across the road
or
driving on the highway we all take risks, I believe it to be your
OPINION
that it is/was unnecessary, some people I'm sure believe that travelling
across an ocean in a small boat is unnecessary and a stupid risk why not
fly
instead, but some people believe flying is an unnecessary risk. I have
on
occasions met small uninformed minded people such as yourself and find
them
to be always knocking other peoples achievements from a far and the
safety
of there cosy arm chair, just because at her age some people are
probably
still squeezing pimples and not out taking risks.
I guess there are people that take risks and achieve great things and
others
just follow at a safe distance.


Message: 4
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:36:50 +1000
From: Rick MacClure r-mack@bigpond.com
To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PUP] Jessica Watson
Message-ID: C7E95F12.803%r-mack@bigpond.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Sorry Hal but I believe one personal attack deserves another especially
when
they can not defend themselves.


Message: 5
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:04:40 -0400
From: Ross Anderson 10and2@gmail.com
To: hannu venermo hanermo@amorco.net
Cc: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PUP] Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just
about
Message-ID:
n2se6abc54b1004121504x18af29a2tb1b6e1d1e8c45fe2@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Get a life Hannu!! God Bless - Ross on 10 & 2

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:24 AM, hannu venermo hanermo@amorco.net
wrote:

Risky, unnecessary, silly stunt.

What did she do to advance the art of sailing ?
A: NOTHING.

She made it, and well done. Good for her.
I am sure she is a good sailor - and so what ?

Did she finance, plan and execute the whole thing ?
A: NO.

What was the purpose of the trip ?
Publicity.

Just because a stunt succeeds, does not mean that it should have been
attempted in the first place.
It4s like people diving (racing, flyint, driving etc..) and taking

silly

unnecessary risks. Contemptible.

Just because you can (or have) (once) cross a busy intersection at

100mph

against a red light without slowing, should not mean that it is either
advisable, smart, respectable or something to brag about.

I am all for adventure (and have lived a life with more of it than

most)

and travel.
Respect, mitigation of risks and ability to learn, train and measure
situations are all a part of the responsibilities one assumes with the
ability and choice of doing the above.

Calling it a silly, risky and unnecessary stunt in no way takes away

from

her (very real) abilities.
It4s a good accomplishment, that should not have been done, imo.


http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power

To unsubscribe send email to
passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word
UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message.

Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World
Productions.


Message: 6
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:13:01 -0400
From: "Ron Rogers" rcrogers6@gmail.com
To: "'Rick MacClure'" r-mack@bigpond.com,
passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PUP] Jessica Watson
Message-ID: 00fb01cada9e$15f7f4e0$41e7dea0$@com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Two things are highly commendable: her mental fortitude and the
preparation
of the small boat. Anybody remember Donald Crowhurst? Although modern
communications were available to her, she was alone with her stuffed
animal
crew. Very few humans spend a week alone much less an around the world
voyage alone. Let us celebrate her strength of character in doing
something
few could perform. It's true that young people know less fear than older
folks, but they also have less experience in adversity to draw upon. For
an
insight into this issue, examine the origins of the Outward Bound
program
and the deaths of young, teenage, torpedoed mariners on the Murmansk Run
while older, fat stokers with families survived. In this regard, she is
remarkable.

Second, she and her family prepared a modest boat which did not fail
her.
Although I did not follow her voyage, the boat is bringing her home and
must
not have failed her in any significant way. When she had the early
collision, I doubted the wisdom of her going. I thought and still think
that
her lack of alertness was attributable to the invulnerability felt by
people
of that age. Then, I just reread the report on the collision of the sub
USS
Hartford and the surface vessel USS New Orleans (no fault found). Adults
with sophisticated sensors can really screw-up worse than a teenager
with
rudimentary gear.

I imagine that there is a big commercial component here, but that cannot
take away from her courage and stability.

Ron Rogers
(With running an Outward Bound program and US Special Forces as some
background.)



Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List

End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 65, Issue 3


Hannu, Thought I would suggest that you shouldn't mess with Rick. He is so tough I saw him killed three times in a movie, and he popped up again as a jury member at the end. No in all seriousness, this site is about passagemaking, and this trip of Jessica's is about one of the aspects that is the hardest to endure for passagemakers, being frightened for your life from time to time, and the debilitating mental state that's endured from sheer loneliness and solitude. I reckon this young girl will pop up one day and really make a contribution to sailing. If not she will still have been a beacon and inspiration to young people that they can be tougher than they think they are, and climb their own mountain. Could be something like getting off drugs for instance. When she finishes high school she will be out there in all the schools inspiring self esteem for the students I'd guess. Finally you are completely entitled to your opinion, so don't fret about any backlash because we live in a freedom of speech world - I think! Peter PS Watching her weather across the Southern Ocean live at the moment. She's bouncing a bit I bet. -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2010 2:00 PM To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 65, Issue 3 Send Passagemaking-Under-Power mailing list submissions to passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com You can reach the person managing the list at passagemaking-under-power-owner@lists.samurai.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Passagemaking-Under-Power digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about (Peter Sheppard) 2. Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about (hannu venermo) 3. Jessica Watson (Rick MacClure) 4. Jessica Watson (Rick MacClure) 5. Re: Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about (Ross Anderson) 6. Re: Jessica Watson (Ron Rogers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:28:16 +1000 From: "Peter Sheppard" <Peter@petersheppard.com.au> To: <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Subject: [PUP] Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about Message-ID: <D045C5F90D4F4B4EB8D0200BC2CD77755FD100@server1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I for one was highly skeptical about this young Aussie girl making it around the world after hitting a ship on her shakedown cruise. I take it all back now as she has it almost wrapped up. This is a credit to a young persons need to dream, have the courage, and the perseverance to pull it off. A sure testament to her character, and the understanding and belief from of her oft slated parents. Notice she underplayed Cape Horn against crossing the Great Australian Bight. When I crossed it last year I had the chance to stay in Port until the weather was right. This young lady has to take what is dished out at the time. God speed to her. Regards, Peter http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/jessica-watson-on-home-surf/story-e6frf 7jo-1225852224544 _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 65, Issue 2 ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:24:30 +0200 From: hannu venermo <hanermo@amorco.net> To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PUP] Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about Message-ID: <4BC2F4DE.6090307@amorco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Risky, unnecessary, silly stunt. What did she do to advance the art of sailing ? A: NOTHING. She made it, and well done. Good for her. I am sure she is a good sailor - and so what ? Did she finance, plan and execute the whole thing ? A: NO. What was the purpose of the trip ? Publicity. Just because a stunt succeeds, does not mean that it should have been attempted in the first place. It4s like people diving (racing, flyint, driving etc..) and taking silly unnecessary risks. Contemptible. Just because you can (or have) (once) cross a busy intersection at 100mph against a red light without slowing, should not mean that it is either advisable, smart, respectable or something to brag about. I am all for adventure (and have lived a life with more of it than most) and travel. Respect, mitigation of risks and ability to learn, train and measure situations are all a part of the responsibilities one assumes with the ability and choice of doing the above. Calling it a silly, risky and unnecessary stunt in no way takes away from her (very real) abilities. It4s a good accomplishment, that should not have been done, imo. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:19:36 +1000 From: Rick MacClure <r-mack@bigpond.com> To: <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Subject: [PUP] Jessica Watson Message-ID: <C7E94CF8.7FD%r-mack@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" You wrote - (Just because a stunt succeeds, does not mean that it should have been attempted in the first place. It4s like people diving (racing, flyint, driving etc..) and taking silly unnecessary risks. Contemptible.) That would have to be the stupidest comment I have ever read, If humans had never taken risks then where would we be today, there would be no planes, no submarines, no high rise buildings, no fights into space, no heart operations, the list is endless and there would be no one living the passage making dream unless they had trained for say 20, 30, perhaps 40 years does that time frame sound reasonable and safe to you. As a film Stunt Coordinator, Stunt Performer, Cave Diver, Commercial Diver, Parachutist, Motor Cycle racer and much much more, I take risks all the time (all be it as calculated as possible) as much as walking across the road or driving on the highway we all take risks, I believe it to be your OPINION that it is/was unnecessary, some people I'm sure believe that travelling across an ocean in a small boat is unnecessary and a stupid risk why not fly instead, but some people believe flying is an unnecessary risk. I have on occasions met small uninformed minded people such as yourself and find them to be always knocking other peoples achievements from a far and the safety of there cosy arm chair, just because at her age some people are probably still squeezing pimples and not out taking risks. I guess there are people that take risks and achieve great things and others just follow at a safe distance. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:36:50 +1000 From: Rick MacClure <r-mack@bigpond.com> To: <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Subject: [PUP] Jessica Watson Message-ID: <C7E95F12.803%r-mack@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sorry Hal but I believe one personal attack deserves another especially when they can not defend themselves. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:04:40 -0400 From: Ross Anderson <10and2@gmail.com> To: hannu venermo <hanermo@amorco.net> Cc: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: Re: [PUP] Jessica Watson youngest ever circumnavigator - just about Message-ID: <n2se6abc54b1004121504x18af29a2tb1b6e1d1e8c45fe2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Get a life Hannu!! God Bless - Ross on 10 & 2 On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:24 AM, hannu venermo <hanermo@amorco.net> wrote: > Risky, unnecessary, silly stunt. > > What did she do to advance the art of sailing ? > A: NOTHING. > > She made it, and well done. Good for her. > I am sure she is a good sailor - and so what ? > > Did she finance, plan and execute the whole thing ? > A: NO. > > What was the purpose of the trip ? > Publicity. > > Just because a stunt succeeds, does not mean that it should have been > attempted in the first place. > It4s like people diving (racing, flyint, driving etc..) and taking silly > unnecessary risks. Contemptible. > > Just because you can (or have) (once) cross a busy intersection at 100mph > against a red light without slowing, should not mean that it is either > advisable, smart, respectable or something to brag about. > > I am all for adventure (and have lived a life with more of it than most) > and travel. > Respect, mitigation of risks and ability to learn, train and measure > situations are all a part of the responsibilities one assumes with the > ability and choice of doing the above. > > Calling it a silly, risky and unnecessary stunt in no way takes away from > her (very real) abilities. > It4s a good accomplishment, that should not have been done, imo. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:13:01 -0400 From: "Ron Rogers" <rcrogers6@gmail.com> To: "'Rick MacClure'" <r-mack@bigpond.com>, <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] Jessica Watson Message-ID: <00fb01cada9e$15f7f4e0$41e7dea0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Two things are highly commendable: her mental fortitude and the preparation of the small boat. Anybody remember Donald Crowhurst? Although modern communications were available to her, she was alone with her stuffed animal crew. Very few humans spend a week alone much less an around the world voyage alone. Let us celebrate her strength of character in doing something few could perform. It's true that young people know less fear than older folks, but they also have less experience in adversity to draw upon. For an insight into this issue, examine the origins of the Outward Bound program and the deaths of young, teenage, torpedoed mariners on the Murmansk Run while older, fat stokers with families survived. In this regard, she is remarkable. Second, she and her family prepared a modest boat which did not fail her. Although I did not follow her voyage, the boat is bringing her home and must not have failed her in any significant way. When she had the early collision, I doubted the wisdom of her going. I thought and still think that her lack of alertness was attributable to the invulnerability felt by people of that age. Then, I just reread the report on the collision of the sub USS Hartford and the surface vessel USS New Orleans (no fault found). Adults with sophisticated sensors can really screw-up worse than a teenager with rudimentary gear. I imagine that there is a big commercial component here, but that cannot take away from her courage and stability. Ron Rogers (With running an Outward Bound program and US Special Forces as some background.) ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 65, Issue 3 ********************************************************