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Measuring the accurcy of a wrist watch

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Tim Shoppa
Fri, Apr 18, 2014 5:52 PM

At least for low-end quartz+mechanical watch movements, magnetic fields can
cause the watch to stop mechanically ticking or even produce false ticks to
cause dial to spin at a furious rate.

e.g. By holding my watches at a certain angle in the field of an AC tape
degausser, I can make them run many times faster than normal, and I had one
mechanical watch where if I held it at the funny angle it would actually
run backwards! (Must've been something other than a one-way escapement
inside I guess.)

This is not the quartz crystal and electronic divider being affected by a
magnetic field, this is the stepper motor and mechanics turning in response
to magnetic fields.

It does not take a magnetized guitar pickup to catch the magnetic field
coming from the stepper coil in the watch. Any nearby unshielded coil or
AF-range inductor will pick up easy.

Tim N3QE

On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Chuck Harris cfharris@erols.com wrote:

Early watches were more susceptible to magnetic influence than
were later... this is primarily because the early watches used
high carbon steel hairsprings for the balance wheel, and when
they got magnetized, the spring coils would stick together...

Later watches used elinvar for the hairspring coils because its
spring constants were less affected by temperature variations...
a nice side benefit is it is not easily magnetized.

However, when an elinvar hairspring gets magnetized, it is very
difficult to demagnetize it using conventional means.

Demagnetizers work by rapidly alternating the polarity of the
magnetic field, and slowly decreasing the strength of the field.
This causes the magnetic poles of the ferrous atoms to get randomly
aligned, which is the demagnetized state... But if the item that
is magnetized is so light weight and flexible that it can move
with the field, it won't get demagnetized... which is what happens
with the hairspring.  The only way I know to demagnetize a hairspring
of this sort is to immobilize the spring with wax, and then run it
through the demagnetizer... then melt the wax, and clean the spring
with naptha.

Fun times!

-Chuck Harris

DaveH wrote:

I remember growing up (50 years ago) that the good watches were marked as
being non-magnetic.  I would guess that this is standard now.

My concern is that the moving balance wheel could have an eddy current
induced into it and the resulting magnetic field might cause it to slow
down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_wheel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current

The act of measurement should not cause a change in what you are
measuring.

Dave


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At least for low-end quartz+mechanical watch movements, magnetic fields can cause the watch to stop mechanically ticking or even produce false ticks to cause dial to spin at a furious rate. e.g. By holding my watches at a certain angle in the field of an AC tape degausser, I can make them run many times faster than normal, and I had one mechanical watch where if I held it at the funny angle it would actually run backwards! (Must've been something other than a one-way escapement inside I guess.) This is not the quartz crystal and electronic divider being affected by a magnetic field, this is the stepper motor and mechanics turning in response to magnetic fields. It does not take a magnetized guitar pickup to catch the magnetic field coming from the stepper coil in the watch. Any nearby unshielded coil or AF-range inductor will pick up easy. Tim N3QE On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> wrote: > Early watches were more susceptible to magnetic influence than > were later... this is primarily because the early watches used > high carbon steel hairsprings for the balance wheel, and when > they got magnetized, the spring coils would stick together... > > Later watches used elinvar for the hairspring coils because its > spring constants were less affected by temperature variations... > a nice side benefit is it is not easily magnetized. > > However, when an elinvar hairspring gets magnetized, it is very > difficult to demagnetize it using conventional means. > > Demagnetizers work by rapidly alternating the polarity of the > magnetic field, and slowly decreasing the strength of the field. > This causes the magnetic poles of the ferrous atoms to get randomly > aligned, which is the demagnetized state... But if the item that > is magnetized is so light weight and flexible that it can move > with the field, it won't get demagnetized... which is what happens > with the hairspring. The only way I know to demagnetize a hairspring > of this sort is to immobilize the spring with wax, and then run it > through the demagnetizer... then melt the wax, and clean the spring > with naptha. > > Fun times! > > -Chuck Harris > > > DaveH wrote: > >> I remember growing up (50 years ago) that the good watches were marked as >> being non-magnetic. I would guess that this is standard now. >> >> My concern is that the moving balance wheel could have an eddy current >> induced into it and the resulting magnetic field might cause it to slow >> down. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_wheel >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current >> >> The act of measurement should not cause a change in what you are >> measuring. >> >> Dave >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >