Dear all, I want to ask on behalf of my colleagues who use USRPs together with LabView. We have USRP RIO 2953R boards that come with CBX 120 daughter boards. I've replaced CBX 120 boards with UBX 160 boards. >From my perspective as GNU Radio and UHD user different USRP RIOs starting with 2940 are just X310 boards. I can put in them any daughter boards I want (WBX, SBX, CBX, UBX) and they just work. For LabView however it seems that is not possible to replace daughter board in USRP RIO with daughter board that wasn't originally meant to be put inside. While various LabView examples worked for the originally configured USRP RIO 2953, with UBX 160 there is some problem to make them work. NI Support told us that it is not possible to change daughter boards type in USRP RIOs and keep them working with LabView. They say for example that USRP RIO 2953R is not compatible with UBX-160. My question to the list: is it true that it is not possible to use with LabView USRP RIOs with daughter boards changed to daughter boards of another type? If this is false - can you provide some example LabView code that works with USRP RIOs that have UBX boards inside? Best Regards, Piotr Krysik

W dniu 27.10.2016 o 12:25, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users pisze: > I want to ask on behalf of my colleagues who use USRPs together with > LabView. > > We have USRP RIO 2953R boards that come with CBX 120 daughter boards. > I've replaced CBX 120 boards with UBX 160 boards. > > >From my perspective as GNU Radio and UHD user different USRP RIOs > starting with 2940 are just X310 boards. I can put in them any daughter > boards I want (WBX, SBX, CBX, UBX) and they just work. > > For LabView however it seems that is not possible to replace daughter > board in USRP RIO with daughter board that wasn't originally meant to be > put inside. While various LabView examples worked for the originally > configured USRP RIO 2953, with UBX 160 there is some problem to make > them work. > > NI Support told us that it is not possible to change daughter > boards type in USRP RIOs and keep them working with LabView. They say > for example that USRP RIO 2953R is not compatible with UBX-160. > > My question to the list: is it true that it is not possible to use with > LabView USRP RIOs with daughter boards changed to daughter boards of > another type? > > If this is false - can you provide some example LabView code that works > with USRP RIOs that have UBX boards inside? To add a bit more information I attach the error message that was obtained for USRP RIO 2953R with UBX-160. -- Best Regards, Piotr Krysik

Hi Piotr, LabView sees the the USRP RIO device as a single device inclusive of motherboard and daughterboards, so changing the daughterboards makes it unrecognizable to LabView. This is done intentionally to limit the number of configurations for things like calibration routines and other LabView features. UHD can recognize any combination of motherboard and daughterboards, but it is a lower level driver and does not provide an application feature set like LabView. Regards, Michael On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users < usrp-users@lists.ettus.com> wrote: > W dniu 27.10.2016 o 12:25, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users pisze: > > I want to ask on behalf of my colleagues who use USRPs together with > > LabView. > > > > We have USRP RIO 2953R boards that come with CBX 120 daughter boards. > > I've replaced CBX 120 boards with UBX 160 boards. > > > > >From my perspective as GNU Radio and UHD user different USRP RIOs > > starting with 2940 are just X310 boards. I can put in them any daughter > > boards I want (WBX, SBX, CBX, UBX) and they just work. > > > > For LabView however it seems that is not possible to replace daughter > > board in USRP RIO with daughter board that wasn't originally meant to be > > put inside. While various LabView examples worked for the originally > > configured USRP RIO 2953, with UBX 160 there is some problem to make > > them work. > > > > NI Support told us that it is not possible to change daughter > > boards type in USRP RIOs and keep them working with LabView. They say > > for example that USRP RIO 2953R is not compatible with UBX-160. > > > > My question to the list: is it true that it is not possible to use with > > LabView USRP RIOs with daughter boards changed to daughter boards of > > another type? > > > > If this is false - can you provide some example LabView code that works > > with USRP RIOs that have UBX boards inside? > To add a bit more information I attach the error message that was > obtained for USRP RIO 2953R with UBX-160. > > -- > Best Regards, > Piotr Krysik > > _______________________________________________ > USRP-users mailing list > USRP-users@lists.ettus.com > http://lists.ettus.com/mailman/listinfo/usrp-users_lists.ettus.com > >

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 Best Regards,
 Piotr Krysik

Hi Michael and others, Thank you for the quick answer. Is it possible to make LabView recognize and X310 motherboard as different type of USRP RIO than original one? For example to make it recognize NI RIO 2953R as NI RIO 2954R (that comes with UBX-160)? I suppose that there might be obstacles for Ettus to answer this question, as it might go contrary to the mother company's politics. Nonetheless I will ask it :). Best Regards, Piotr Krysik W dniu 27.10.2016 o 18:10, Michael West pisze: > Hi Piotr, > > LabView sees the the USRP RIO device as a single device inclusive of > motherboard and daughterboards, so changing the daughterboards makes > it unrecognizable to LabView. This is done intentionally to limit the > number of configurations for things like calibration routines and > other LabView features. UHD can recognize any combination of > motherboard and daughterboards, but it is a lower level driver and > does not provide an application feature set like LabView. > > Regards, > Michael > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users > <usrp-users@lists.ettus.com <mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com>> wrote: > > W dniu 27.10.2016 o 12:25, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users pisze: > > I want to ask on behalf of my colleagues who use USRPs together with > > LabView. > > > > We have USRP RIO 2953R boards that come with CBX 120 daughter > boards. > > I've replaced CBX 120 boards with UBX 160 boards. > > > > >From my perspective as GNU Radio and UHD user different USRP RIOs > > starting with 2940 are just X310 boards. I can put in them any > daughter > > boards I want (WBX, SBX, CBX, UBX) and they just work. > > > > For LabView however it seems that is not possible to replace > daughter > > board in USRP RIO with daughter board that wasn't originally > meant to be > > put inside. While various LabView examples worked for the originally > > configured USRP RIO 2953, with UBX 160 there is some problem to make > > them work. > > > > NI Support told us that it is not possible to change daughter > > boards type in USRP RIOs and keep them working with LabView. > They say > > for example that USRP RIO 2953R is not compatible with UBX-160. > > > > My question to the list: is it true that it is not possible to > use with > > LabView USRP RIOs with daughter boards changed to daughter boards of > > another type? > > > > If this is false - can you provide some example LabView code > that works > > with USRP RIOs that have UBX boards inside? > To add a bit more information I attach the error message that was > obtained for USRP RIO 2953R with UBX-160. > > -- > Best Regards, > Piotr Krysik >

 W dniu 27.10.2016 o 12:25, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users pisze:

 boards.

 daughter

 daughter

 meant to be

 They say

 use with

 that works

 To add a bit more information I attach the error message that was
 obtained for USRP RIO 2953R with UBX-160.

 --
 Best Regards,
 Piotr Krysik

Hi Piotr, Officially, National Instruments support should be contacted to aid in the process, but it should be possible. Aside from that, this app note <https://kb.ettus.com/Converting_an_X310_into_an_NI-USRP_Rio> may be of interest. Regards, Michael On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Piotr Krysik <perper@o2.pl> wrote: > Hi Michael and others, > > Thank you for the quick answer. > > Is it possible to make LabView recognize and X310 motherboard as > different type of USRP RIO than original one? For example to make it > recognize NI RIO 2953R as NI RIO 2954R (that comes with UBX-160)? > > I suppose that there might be obstacles for Ettus to answer this > question, as it might go contrary to the mother company's politics. > Nonetheless I will ask it :). > > Best Regards, > Piotr Krysik > > W dniu 27.10.2016 o 18:10, Michael West pisze: > > Hi Piotr, > > > > LabView sees the the USRP RIO device as a single device inclusive of > > motherboard and daughterboards, so changing the daughterboards makes > > it unrecognizable to LabView. This is done intentionally to limit the > > number of configurations for things like calibration routines and > > other LabView features. UHD can recognize any combination of > > motherboard and daughterboards, but it is a lower level driver and > > does not provide an application feature set like LabView. > > > > Regards, > > Michael > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users > > <usrp-users@lists.ettus.com <mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com>> wrote: > > > > W dniu 27.10.2016 o 12:25, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users pisze: > > > I want to ask on behalf of my colleagues who use USRPs together > with > > > LabView. > > > > > > We have USRP RIO 2953R boards that come with CBX 120 daughter > > boards. > > > I've replaced CBX 120 boards with UBX 160 boards. > > > > > > >From my perspective as GNU Radio and UHD user different USRP RIOs > > > starting with 2940 are just X310 boards. I can put in them any > > daughter > > > boards I want (WBX, SBX, CBX, UBX) and they just work. > > > > > > For LabView however it seems that is not possible to replace > > daughter > > > board in USRP RIO with daughter board that wasn't originally > > meant to be > > > put inside. While various LabView examples worked for the > originally > > > configured USRP RIO 2953, with UBX 160 there is some problem to > make > > > them work. > > > > > > NI Support told us that it is not possible to change daughter > > > boards type in USRP RIOs and keep them working with LabView. > > They say > > > for example that USRP RIO 2953R is not compatible with UBX-160. > > > > > > My question to the list: is it true that it is not possible to > > use with > > > LabView USRP RIOs with daughter boards changed to daughter boards > of > > > another type? > > > > > > If this is false - can you provide some example LabView code > > that works > > > with USRP RIOs that have UBX boards inside? > > To add a bit more information I attach the error message that was > > obtained for USRP RIO 2953R with UBX-160. > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > Piotr Krysik > > > >

 Hi Michael and others,

 Thank you for the quick answer.

 Is it possible to make LabView recognize and X310 motherboard as
 different type of USRP RIO than original one? For example to make it
 recognize NI RIO 2953R as NI RIO 2954R (that comes with UBX-160)?

 I suppose that there might be obstacles for Ettus to answer this
 question, as it might go contrary to the mother company's politics.
 Nonetheless I will ask it :).

 Best Regards,
 Piotr Krysik

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 Piotr Krysik

Michael, many thanks for the answer solving the problem. It will be much easier to talk to NI support having this information. Even if they refuse to make the conversion we can do it ourselves. Best Regards, Piotr Krysik W dniu 27.10.2016 o 21:35, Michael West pisze: > Hi Piotr, > > Officially, National Instruments support should be contacted to aid in > the process, but it should be possible. Aside from that, this app > note <https://kb.ettus.com/Converting_an_X310_into_an_NI-USRP_Rio> may > be of interest. > > Regards, > Michael > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Piotr Krysik <perper@o2.pl > <mailto:perper@o2.pl>> wrote: > > Hi Michael and others, > > Thank you for the quick answer. > > Is it possible to make LabView recognize and X310 motherboard as > different type of USRP RIO than original one? For example to make it > recognize NI RIO 2953R as NI RIO 2954R (that comes with UBX-160)? > > I suppose that there might be obstacles for Ettus to answer this > question, as it might go contrary to the mother company's politics. > Nonetheless I will ask it :). > > Best Regards, > Piotr Krysik > > W dniu 27.10.2016 o 18:10, Michael West pisze: > > Hi Piotr, > > > > LabView sees the the USRP RIO device as a single device inclusive of > > motherboard and daughterboards, so changing the daughterboards makes > > it unrecognizable to LabView. This is done intentionally to > limit the > > number of configurations for things like calibration routines and > > other LabView features. UHD can recognize any combination of > > motherboard and daughterboards, but it is a lower level driver and > > does not provide an application feature set like LabView. > > > > Regards, > > Michael > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users > > <usrp-users@lists.ettus.com <mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com> > <mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com > <mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com>>> wrote: > > > > W dniu 27.10.2016 o 12:25, Piotr Krysik via USRP-users pisze: > > > I want to ask on behalf of my colleagues who use USRPs > together with > > > LabView. > > > > > > We have USRP RIO 2953R boards that come with CBX 120 daughter > > boards. > > > I've replaced CBX 120 boards with UBX 160 boards. > > > > > > >From my perspective as GNU Radio and UHD user different > USRP RIOs > > > starting with 2940 are just X310 boards. I can put in them any > > daughter > > > boards I want (WBX, SBX, CBX, UBX) and they just work. > > > > > > For LabView however it seems that is not possible to replace > > daughter > > > board in USRP RIO with daughter board that wasn't originally > > meant to be > > > put inside. While various LabView examples worked for the > originally > > > configured USRP RIO 2953, with UBX 160 there is some > problem to make > > > them work. > > > > > > NI Support told us that it is not possible to change daughter > > > boards type in USRP RIOs and keep them working with LabView. > > They say > > > for example that USRP RIO 2953R is not compatible with > UBX-160. > > > > > > My question to the list: is it true that it is not possible to > > use with > > > LabView USRP RIOs with daughter boards changed to daughter > boards of > > > another type? > > > > > > If this is false - can you provide some example LabView code > > that works > > > with USRP RIOs that have UBX boards inside? > > To add a bit more information I attach the error message > that was > > obtained for USRP RIO 2953R with UBX-160. > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > Piotr Krysik > > > >