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Objectivity in boating publications

JM
John Marshall
Wed, Sep 16, 2009 2:02 PM

Its been my observation that boat magazines, most recently
Passagemaker, have become less objective and critical of the boats or
equipment they review, and more likely to hide their limited criticism
between the lines or suppress it altogether to favor their advertisers.

Further, its my opinion that Passagemaker under the previous editorial
staff (Bill Parlatore) was a bit more willing to be critical.

Or was that just more opinionated?

Are there other magazines that do a better job?

Which also begs the question of what we can do as a group of educated
boaters to encourage magazines like Passagemaker to remain more
objective. Or should one of the purposes of PUP be to inject the
missing objectivity and criticism into our discussions?

Or am I barking up a tree that we can't possibly climb?

John Marshall
N55-20 Serendipity
Sequim Bay, WA

Its been my observation that boat magazines, most recently Passagemaker, have become less objective and critical of the boats or equipment they review, and more likely to hide their limited criticism between the lines or suppress it altogether to favor their advertisers. Further, its my opinion that Passagemaker under the previous editorial staff (Bill Parlatore) was a bit more willing to be critical. Or was that just more opinionated? Are there other magazines that do a better job? Which also begs the question of what we can do as a group of educated boaters to encourage magazines like Passagemaker to remain more objective. Or should one of the purposes of PUP be to inject the missing objectivity and criticism into our discussions? Or am I barking up a tree that we can't possibly climb? John Marshall N55-20 Serendipity Sequim Bay, WA
KW
Ken Williams
Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:26 AM

My thought on this is that ... these are tough times.

The boating industry is under siege. When the economy is soft, the first
things that consumers give up are luxury items such as second homes and
boats.

Similarly, when makers of marine products are under siege, the first thing
given up is the marketing budget.

The magazines would deny that they are under pressure from advertisers, but
I absolutely guarantee you that if an advertiser is tightening their ad
budget, the publications that don't support them will be evaluated with a
harsher eye, than those perceived as friendly. The editorial groups are
usually segregated from the advertising sales groups, and in good times, the
wall between them works. However, when the magazines are getting thinner,
and staff cutbacks are a palpable threat, cracks appear in the wall.

I suppose we could all get riled up when we see an obviously soft-ball
review. However, at this point in the ball game, I'm just hoping everyone
stays healthy and reaches the other side. My focus is on trying to think if
there is anything I can do to help an industry which has brought me so much
fun. I'd have a hard time criticizing them for 'being human.' My advice to
the industry would be, "Do what you got to do, and hang in there. This too
shall pass."

All of this said, I have not seen any P&L statement for any company, and
have not discussed financial health with any marine company. It's possible
that they are having record years for all I know. It wouldn't be the first
time I didn't know what I was talking about it. But, I do think these are
not the best of times...

-Ken Williams
Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci

My thought on this is that ... these are tough times. The boating industry is under siege. When the economy is soft, the first things that consumers give up are luxury items such as second homes and boats. Similarly, when makers of marine products are under siege, the first thing given up is the marketing budget. The magazines would deny that they are under pressure from advertisers, but I absolutely guarantee you that if an advertiser is tightening their ad budget, the publications that don't support them will be evaluated with a harsher eye, than those perceived as friendly. The editorial groups are usually segregated from the advertising sales groups, and in good times, the wall between them works. However, when the magazines are getting thinner, and staff cutbacks are a palpable threat, cracks appear in the wall. I suppose we could all get riled up when we see an obviously soft-ball review. However, at this point in the ball game, I'm just hoping everyone stays healthy and reaches the other side. My focus is on trying to think if there is anything I can do to help an industry which has brought me so much fun. I'd have a hard time criticizing them for 'being human.' My advice to the industry would be, "Do what you got to do, and hang in there. This too shall pass." All of this said, I have not seen any P&L statement for any company, and have not discussed financial health with any marine company. It's possible that they are having record years for all I know. It wouldn't be the first time I didn't know what I was talking about it. But, I do think these are not the best of times... -Ken Williams Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci
JM
John Marshall
Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:50 AM

You make some good points about the state of the industry, Ken, but
the belt tightening goes both ways. Why should I spend money to buy a
magazine full of infomercials? I can visit the various companies on
the web and see that for free, or download flyers, etc. In essence,
the editorial content of the magazines are becoming part of the
marketing arm of the companies. That was the role that paid
advertisements used to provide.

In my opinion, part of the reason for the decline in both newspapers
and various magazines is that they have forgotten that they are
supposed to be both technically savvy and journalists. The other part
is the nature of the internet, ranging from forums like this to web
sites, that offers us much of the same information.

The printed rags, or their digital versions, need to present something
unique, and in my mind that has to be critical, unbiased analysis and
expertise in their reviews. I'll subscribe to that in a heartbeat. But
until I see evidence of that happening, I'll quickly scan the pretty
infomercials while standing in the bookstore and then put the magazine
back on the shelf.

Used to be I kept magazines around for years because they were full of
stuff that I wanted to be able to go back and reference. Stuff I could
learn from. But I'm not collecting them now.

John

On Sep 16, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Ken Williams wrote:

My thought on this is that ... these are tough times.

The boating industry is under siege. When the economy is soft, the
first
things that consumers give up are luxury items such as second homes
and
boats.

Similarly, when makers of marine products are under siege, the first
thing
given up is the marketing budget.

The magazines would deny that they are under pressure from
advertisers, but
I absolutely guarantee you that if an advertiser is tightening their
ad
budget, the publications that don't support them will be evaluated
with a
harsher eye, than those perceived as friendly. The editorial groups
are
usually segregated from the advertising sales groups, and in good
times, the
wall between them works. However, when the magazines are getting
thinner,
and staff cutbacks are a palpable threat, cracks appear in the wall.

I suppose we could all get riled up when we see an obviously soft-ball
review. However, at this point in the ball game, I'm just hoping
everyone
stays healthy and reaches the other side. My focus is on trying to
think if
there is anything I can do to help an industry which has brought me
so much
fun. I'd have a hard time criticizing them for 'being human.' My
advice to
the industry would be, "Do what you got to do, and hang in there.
This too
shall pass."

All of this said, I have not seen any P&L statement for any company,
and
have not discussed financial health with any marine company. It's
possible
that they are having record years for all I know. It wouldn't be the
first
time I didn't know what I was talking about it. But, I do think
these are
not the best of times...

-Ken Williams
Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci

You make some good points about the state of the industry, Ken, but the belt tightening goes both ways. Why should I spend money to buy a magazine full of infomercials? I can visit the various companies on the web and see that for free, or download flyers, etc. In essence, the editorial content of the magazines are becoming part of the marketing arm of the companies. That was the role that paid advertisements used to provide. In my opinion, part of the reason for the decline in both newspapers and various magazines is that they have forgotten that they are supposed to be both technically savvy and journalists. The other part is the nature of the internet, ranging from forums like this to web sites, that offers us much of the same information. The printed rags, or their digital versions, need to present something unique, and in my mind that has to be critical, unbiased analysis and expertise in their reviews. I'll subscribe to that in a heartbeat. But until I see evidence of that happening, I'll quickly scan the pretty infomercials while standing in the bookstore and then put the magazine back on the shelf. Used to be I kept magazines around for years because they were full of stuff that I wanted to be able to go back and reference. Stuff I could learn from. But I'm not collecting them now. John On Sep 16, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Ken Williams wrote: > My thought on this is that ... these are tough times. > > The boating industry is under siege. When the economy is soft, the > first > things that consumers give up are luxury items such as second homes > and > boats. > > Similarly, when makers of marine products are under siege, the first > thing > given up is the marketing budget. > > The magazines would deny that they are under pressure from > advertisers, but > I absolutely guarantee you that if an advertiser is tightening their > ad > budget, the publications that don't support them will be evaluated > with a > harsher eye, than those perceived as friendly. The editorial groups > are > usually segregated from the advertising sales groups, and in good > times, the > wall between them works. However, when the magazines are getting > thinner, > and staff cutbacks are a palpable threat, cracks appear in the wall. > > I suppose we could all get riled up when we see an obviously soft-ball > review. However, at this point in the ball game, I'm just hoping > everyone > stays healthy and reaches the other side. My focus is on trying to > think if > there is anything I can do to help an industry which has brought me > so much > fun. I'd have a hard time criticizing them for 'being human.' My > advice to > the industry would be, "Do what you got to do, and hang in there. > This too > shall pass." > > All of this said, I have not seen any P&L statement for any company, > and > have not discussed financial health with any marine company. It's > possible > that they are having record years for all I know. It wouldn't be the > first > time I didn't know what I was talking about it. But, I do think > these are > not the best of times... > > -Ken Williams > Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci
KW
Ken Williams
Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:08 AM

You are right John. This is one I don't really have an answer for.

And, as you so well point out, I had forgotten, when I wrote my last
posting, that magazines are already under siege from another direction: the
Internet. Newspapers across the country are failing, and magazines are
struggling in every industry. Consumers are finding the answers to their
product questions on the net rather than in magazines. And, magazines are at
a huge disadvantage as compared to the net. Most major magazines have a cut
off, for editorial content, that is at least six weeks prior to the
publishing date. How do you compete with the internet, where the news is
only a few minutes old? No one has that figured out yet.

So ... magazines are being backed into a corner where ad dollars are tougher
and tougher to get, at a time when their content is often stale before it
reaches the consumer, and the consumer can get roughly the same information
free on the internet - especially if all they are doing is relaying company
infomercials.

As you said, the way they can add value is to offer editorial that can't be
gotten elsewhere, including product reviews that are unbiased, and dig deep.
They need to improve their product, and take the quality up a notch, while
revenue is declining, and management is grumbling about anything that might
irritate an advertiser.

It's a time when the editors most need to be doing real journalism, even
though they are getting pressure from above, and from the advertisers.
Biting the hand that feeds you, is easier said than done.

-Ken Williams
Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci

You are right John. This is one I don't really have an answer for. And, as you so well point out, I had forgotten, when I wrote my last posting, that magazines are already under siege from another direction: the Internet. Newspapers across the country are failing, and magazines are struggling in every industry. Consumers are finding the answers to their product questions on the net rather than in magazines. And, magazines are at a huge disadvantage as compared to the net. Most major magazines have a cut off, for editorial content, that is at least six weeks prior to the publishing date. How do you compete with the internet, where the news is only a few minutes old? No one has that figured out yet. So ... magazines are being backed into a corner where ad dollars are tougher and tougher to get, at a time when their content is often stale before it reaches the consumer, and the consumer can get roughly the same information free on the internet - especially if all they are doing is relaying company infomercials. As you said, the way they can add value is to offer editorial that can't be gotten elsewhere, including product reviews that are unbiased, and dig deep. They need to improve their product, and take the quality up a notch, while revenue is declining, and management is grumbling about anything that might irritate an advertiser. It's a time when the editors most need to be doing real journalism, even though they are getting pressure from above, and from the advertisers. Biting the hand that feeds you, is easier said than done. -Ken Williams Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci
RR
Ron Rogers
Thu, Sep 17, 2009 5:29 AM

Both Ken and John make solid points. John used the word infomercial and part
of that word is what they can substitute for critical comments -
information. They need to overwhelm us with close-up photos and detailed
specs which exceed the level of detail on the manufacturer's sites. For
example, they don't have to say that a given Mainship's generator is
inaccessible; take a picture which demonstrates this. Battery switches in
the engine room? Photograph those and then show a boat with switches in the
pilothouse which operate remote relays. Practical Sailor often roams the
boat show docks and photographs good ideas. Passagemaker has had articles
written mostly by Steve D'Antonio about correct practices for installations
of mechanical and electrical components. Those would help you when
evaluating a boat.

The use of the equivalent of a canned spreadsheet with all the details of a
boat and its equipment would allow us to better compare different boats. The
idea of some calculations is good as they do appear in other publications
and there are tons of experts in Annapolis to show them how to do it. They
could also do interviews in which a third party criticizes various boats or
expresses opinions on industry trends. I'm thinking David Pascoe. {;*))

Ron Rogers

Both Ken and John make solid points. John used the word infomercial and part of that word is what they can substitute for critical comments - information. They need to overwhelm us with close-up photos and detailed specs which exceed the level of detail on the manufacturer's sites. For example, they don't have to say that a given Mainship's generator is inaccessible; take a picture which demonstrates this. Battery switches in the engine room? Photograph those and then show a boat with switches in the pilothouse which operate remote relays. Practical Sailor often roams the boat show docks and photographs good ideas. Passagemaker has had articles written mostly by Steve D'Antonio about correct practices for installations of mechanical and electrical components. Those would help you when evaluating a boat. The use of the equivalent of a canned spreadsheet with all the details of a boat and its equipment would allow us to better compare different boats. The idea of some calculations is good as they do appear in other publications and there are tons of experts in Annapolis to show them how to do it. They could also do interviews in which a third party criticizes various boats or expresses opinions on industry trends. I'm thinking David Pascoe. {;*)) Ron Rogers