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Re: T&T: A thought for those with masts

L
lrzeitlin@aol.com
Sat, Oct 1, 2011 3:42 PM

I've never used the Top Climber that Steven mentions to climb a mast.
It looks pretty good. But when I had to go up the 40' mast of my
sailboat 20 years ago, a rock climbing friend lent me a pair of
ascenders. These are small cam cleats with stirrup attachments to
enable you to climb any strong taut rope. It took about 15 minutes to
learn how to use them safely. It's sort of like going up a very steep
ladder. They are available in any store that sells rock climbing or
mountaineering equipment, or on the internet, for between $35 to $70 a
pair. Check them out by Googling "ascenders". It's a lot easier than
hauling yourself up with a block and tackle attached to a boatswain's
chair.

Larry Z

I've never used the Top Climber that Steven mentions to climb a mast. It looks pretty good. But when I had to go up the 40' mast of my sailboat 20 years ago, a rock climbing friend lent me a pair of ascenders. These are small cam cleats with stirrup attachments to enable you to climb any strong taut rope. It took about 15 minutes to learn how to use them safely. It's sort of like going up a very steep ladder. They are available in any store that sells rock climbing or mountaineering equipment, or on the internet, for between $35 to $70 a pair. Check them out by Googling "ascenders". It's a lot easier than hauling yourself up with a block and tackle attached to a boatswain's chair. Larry Z
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Rudy and Jill
Sat, Oct 1, 2011 4:41 PM

At last count, there was approximately gazillion ways to get up a mast, from shinning up using your arms and legs to very complicated and costly mechanisms. Before considering any of them, I'd suggest considering what needs to be done when you have to go up the mast.
 
A quick up and down to recover a wayward halyard is one thing; but we prefer thinking in terms of the worst case scenarios- having to go up, maybe short handed, in a rough seas and remain up there for considerable periods of time, tired or not to complete some work. Maybe even needing to go up repeatedly. After all, its not unknown for situations like this to occur.
 
Working at the top of a mast for an hour or two, maybe longer in rough seas (even not so rough) usually demands that you are sitting, strapped to the mast in some manner (not much to be gained by turning yourself into a wildly swinging pendulum), safe and with both hands free. Few methods allow this if you are not using a bosun's chair.
 
Getting up there, if the crew is available, can  be done with a winch, if big enough, a gantline (if block and tackle- 1/2" line minimum, oversized block and tackle, hopefully ball-bearing sheaved) or with several more expensive products that do the same thing as a block and tackle.
 
For those with "motorized" boats, don't discount having block and tackle onboard. The nice thing about having a gantline onboard, mechanized or not, is that it can be put to other employment- retrieving those folks that were unfortunate to go overboard, launching or embarking heavy items (those storm anchors?), pulling the boat somewhere that you want it should Mother Nature be working against you (strong wind blowing the boat too far off the dock?). I wouldn't be surprised if some of you could think of a few more.
 
My suspicion is that you'll more likely find more uses for them if ya got one onboard, than if you don't; we sure do.
 
Just a few thoughts to contemplate during the cold winter.
 
Rudy
Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl

At last count, there was approximately gazillion ways to get up a mast, from shinning up using your arms and legs to very complicated and costly mechanisms. Before considering any of them, I'd suggest considering what needs to be done when you have to go up the mast.   A quick up and down to recover a wayward halyard is one thing; but we prefer thinking in terms of the worst case scenarios- having to go up, maybe short handed, in a rough seas and remain up there for considerable periods of time, tired or not to complete some work. Maybe even needing to go up repeatedly. After all, its not unknown for situations like this to occur.   Working at the top of a mast for an hour or two, maybe longer in rough seas (even not so rough) usually demands that you are sitting, strapped to the mast in some manner (not much to be gained by turning yourself into a wildly swinging pendulum), safe and with both hands free. Few methods allow this if you are not using a bosun's chair.   Getting up there, if the crew is available, can  be done with a winch, if big enough, a gantline (if block and tackle- 1/2" line minimum, oversized block and tackle, hopefully ball-bearing sheaved) or with several more expensive products that do the same thing as a block and tackle.   For those with "motorized" boats, don't discount having block and tackle onboard. The nice thing about having a gantline onboard, mechanized or not, is that it can be put to other employment- retrieving those folks that were unfortunate to go overboard, launching or embarking heavy items (those storm anchors?), pulling the boat somewhere that you want it should Mother Nature be working against you (strong wind blowing the boat too far off the dock?). I wouldn't be surprised if some of you could think of a few more.   My suspicion is that you'll more likely find more uses for them if ya got one onboard, than if you don't; we sure do.   Just a few thoughts to contemplate during the cold winter.   Rudy Briney Bug, Panama City, Fl
LB
Leonard Brunotte
Sun, Oct 2, 2011 12:39 PM

Counter weights make the job simple and easy.  For example, bend on a couple
of water jugs hoist to top and up you go as easy as pie.

Leonard Brunotte

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lrzeitlin@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:42 AM
To: trawlers@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: T&T: A thought for those with masts

I've never used the Top Climber that Steven mentions to climb a mast.
It looks pretty good. But when I had to go up the 40' mast of my
sailboat 20 years ago, a rock climbing friend lent me a pair of
ascenders. These are small cam cleats with stirrup attachments to
enable you to climb any strong taut rope. It took about 15 minutes to
learn how to use them safely. It's sort of like going up a very steep
ladder. They are available in any store that sells rock climbing or
mountaineering equipment, or on the internet, for between $35 to $70 a
pair. Check them out by Googling "ascenders". It's a lot easier than
hauling yourself up with a block and tackle attached to a boatswain's
chair.

Larry Z


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Counter weights make the job simple and easy. For example, bend on a couple of water jugs hoist to top and up you go as easy as pie. Leonard Brunotte -----Original Message----- From: trawlers-bounces@lists.trawlering.com [mailto:trawlers-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of lrzeitlin@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:42 AM To: trawlers@lists.trawlering.com Subject: Re: T&T: A thought for those with masts I've never used the Top Climber that Steven mentions to climb a mast. It looks pretty good. But when I had to go up the 40' mast of my sailboat 20 years ago, a rock climbing friend lent me a pair of ascenders. These are small cam cleats with stirrup attachments to enable you to climb any strong taut rope. It took about 15 minutes to learn how to use them safely. It's sort of like going up a very steep ladder. They are available in any store that sells rock climbing or mountaineering equipment, or on the internet, for between $35 to $70 a pair. Check them out by Googling "ascenders". It's a lot easier than hauling yourself up with a block and tackle attached to a boatswain's chair. Larry Z _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.
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Al Dente
Sun, Oct 2, 2011 3:44 PM

You all are way off the mark, living in the 18th cent.  Mirabella V has
pulled into Charleston for a few days. Her mast is so tall - 292 feet- that
she can't go under any bridge in the world. I've never seen anything like
it. So, who hauls the crew to the top? No one. It has an elevator, yes
elevator that takes a comfortable basket type thing to the top. Wonderful
for looking down on the world and changing a lightbulb now and then.  It is
simply amazing.  But for $50 million I'd expect nothing less!
I wonder if the elevation has seasick bags available. ...

George
METAFORA
SABRE 36
Charleston, SC
USA

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Leonard Brunotte lb@myguardian.com wrote:

Counter weights make the job simple and easy.  For example, bend on a
couple
of water jugs hoist to top and up you go as easy as pie.

Leonard Brunotte

-----Original Message-----
From: trawlers-bounces@lists.trawlering.com
[mailto:trawlers-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of
lrzeitlin@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:42 AM
To: trawlers@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: T&T: A thought for those with masts

I've never used the Top Climber that Steven mentions to climb a mast.
It looks pretty good. But when I had to go up the 40' mast of my
sailboat 20 years ago, a rock climbing friend lent me a pair of
ascenders. These are small cam cleats with stirrup attachments to
enable you to climb any strong taut rope. It took about 15 minutes to
learn how to use them safely. It's sort of like going up a very steep
ladder. They are available in any store that sells rock climbing or
mountaineering equipment, or on the internet, for between $35 to $70 a
pair. Check them out by Googling "ascenders". It's a lot easier than
hauling yourself up with a block and tackle attached to a boatswain's
chair.

Larry Z


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You all are way off the mark, living in the 18th cent. Mirabella V has pulled into Charleston for a few days. Her mast is so tall - 292 feet- that she can't go under any bridge in the world. I've never seen anything like it. So, who hauls the crew to the top? No one. It has an elevator, yes elevator that takes a comfortable basket type thing to the top. Wonderful for looking down on the world and changing a lightbulb now and then. It is simply amazing. But for $50 million I'd expect nothing less! I wonder if the elevation has seasick bags available. ... George METAFORA SABRE 36 Charleston, SC USA On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Leonard Brunotte <lb@myguardian.com> wrote: > Counter weights make the job simple and easy. For example, bend on a > couple > of water jugs hoist to top and up you go as easy as pie. > > Leonard Brunotte > > -----Original Message----- > From: trawlers-bounces@lists.trawlering.com > [mailto:trawlers-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of > lrzeitlin@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:42 AM > To: trawlers@lists.trawlering.com > Subject: Re: T&T: A thought for those with masts > > I've never used the Top Climber that Steven mentions to climb a mast. > It looks pretty good. But when I had to go up the 40' mast of my > sailboat 20 years ago, a rock climbing friend lent me a pair of > ascenders. These are small cam cleats with stirrup attachments to > enable you to climb any strong taut rope. It took about 15 minutes to > learn how to use them safely. It's sort of like going up a very steep > ladder. They are available in any store that sells rock climbing or > mountaineering equipment, or on the internet, for between $35 to $70 a > pair. Check them out by Googling "ascenders". It's a lot easier than > hauling yourself up with a block and tackle attached to a boatswain's > chair. > > Larry Z > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change > email address, etc) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change > email address, etc) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. >