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No, no, no , no , no... I just read what I wrote... On "one" is port to port...or going to starboard. More properly it's..."I intend to leave you on my port side" not so properly is "I'm going to starboard." However...either works. In class, they would have said the old man is loosing it or he's trying to trick us...don't get old. sorry, RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Onesti Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:20 PM To: pjr@netsense.net; Traweler World Subject: Re: TWL: Re: Re: Narrow Channel Etiquette Question Nav rule are very specific until they get fuzzy. To paraphrase, it says you will follow the nav rules, until you can't, then good judgement must prevail to avoid collision at all costs! In a narrow channel, if you feel that traffic precludes whistle signals, then bridge to bridge communications may be better. However, if you own a recreation vessel, the rules also state that you do not need to have a radio on board, and if you do, it doesn't have to be turned on like radar, and if you have one and it is turned on, then you must monitor channel 16. Who do you think does that...trawler people that's who. If you thing the guy in the go fast cruiser does...think again. One whistle blasts from them usually means, "get ready...am a goin aroun ya! Up here in the Philly area, if you use a whistle signal, you're likely to get a freindly wave "hi" in return. Also, where there is a lot of boat traffic, whistle signals can be confusing. If you have the room, you should make a move say 60 degrees that will show the other boater your intentions, clearly. However, in a narrow channel, this is not possible. If you are the stand on vessel, and there is no communications, staying your course and speed is best. If you can contact the other vessel, hail on 16, switch to a chat channel if there is time...great. Most commercial vessels use bridge to bridge on 13...one may say to the other, "I'll meet you on one". Translation, I intend to leave you on my starbard. However, in maritime court, the blame will be shared by all parties...it's just a question of percentage...if you live through the collision that is. If you feel that slowing your speed to let the overtaking vessel pass...ok...as long as you maintain control over you helm. However, without some communication, slowing my give the overtaking vessel a signal they can't understand. Also, if the overtaking vessel's speed is wake-creating, slowing on your part may add to helm confusion. There...it's a clear as mud. Regards and safe boating, RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip J. Rosch Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:46 PM To: trawler-world-list@lists.samurai.com Subject: RE: TWL: Re: Re: Narrow Channel Etiquette Question I think the rule you are talking about is called the "General Prudential Rule". It's been a long time since I taught this stuff, but basically it says you are obligated to do everything you can to avoid a collision regardless of who is burdened and who is privileged... Regards..... Phil Rosch Old Harbor Consulting M/V "Curmudgeon" Marine Trader 44 TC Currently Moored in Wakefield, RI "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawler-world-list To Unsubscribe send email to trawler-world-list-request@lists.samurai.com Include the word "Unsubscribe" (and nothing else) in the subject or body of the message.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawler-world-list To Unsubscribe send email to trawler-world-list-request@lists.samurai.com Include the word "Unsubscribe" (and nothing else) in the subject or body of the message.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

> > On "one" is port to port...or going to starboard. > More properly it's..."I intend to leave you on my port side" not so properly > is "I'm going to starboard." However...either works. Ralph, et al, The EASY way to remember this and it is true meeting and overtaking: If I am on the right ONE WHISTLE If I am on the left TWO WHISTLES This takes all the ambiguity out of the equation!!!! This is posted at each helm so that an inexperienced helmsman does not get "confused". CCC M/V CC RIDER CHARLES and PAT CULOTTA, Jr. Patterson, La.

I think your oversimplification is wrong in one situation - don't have my book with me to check, but . . . If you're the _overtaking_ vessel, and want to pass with the overtaken vessel on your starboard (right side), you signal with ONE WHISTLE, not TWO. I remember it by likening it to passing on a highway - the "normal" passing situation is #1, the "abnormal" is #2. Your example ASSUMES that you're the overtaken (not overtaking) vessel. At 09:12 PM 6/26/2003, Charles Culotta wrote: > > > > On "one" is port to port...or going to starboard. > > More properly it's..."I intend to leave you on my port side" not so >properly > > is "I'm going to starboard." However...either works. > >Ralph, et al, > >The EASY way to remember this and it is true meeting and overtaking: > >If I am on the right ONE WHISTLE > >If I am on the left TWO WHISTLES > >This takes all the ambiguity out of the equation!!!! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Email: mailto:rmcleran@ix.netcom.com M/V Sanderling Manatee Cove Marina, Patrick Air Force Base Hampton 35 Trawler Melbourne, Florida

Bob, Look at the USPS Seamanship course material. Coincidentaly I taught the course this past weekend. If I am OVERTAKING another and I AM ON THE LEFT that means the boat that I am overtaking is on my STARBOARDSIDE Signal TWO whistles. If I am OVERTKING another and I am on the RIGHT that means the boat that I am overtaking is on my PORTSIDE Signal ONE whistle. This is right out of the book.---page 16 in the NAVIGATION RULES section, to be exact. There is a graphic there but I can't use an attachment here. If I am being OVERTAKEN and I tell the OVERTAKING vessel to pass me on ONE then he COMES AROUND ME ON my RIGHT. If I am being OVERTAKEN and I tell the OVERTAKING vessel to pass me on TWO Then he comes around me on my LEFT. Not to belabor the point but my simplification is correct so as to not cause confusion which is what we are trying to avoid. Just to keep the record straight: I DID NOT COIN THIS MEMEORY AID. It was told to me by my good friend and prolific writer for numerous boating publications Raymond Palmer who trawlered for many , many years. I mentioned in my post that this is at each helm station on my boat. Not only is it there but the simple graphic from the course material is posted with clear contact paper over it for durability. I did it right after I purchased this boat in 1985. I am purposefully leaving the several prior posts so that they may be compared. If I am on the right one whistle If I am on the left two whistles CCC M/V CC RIDER CHARLES and PAT CULOTTA, Jr. Patterson, La. http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/ ********* > I think your oversimplification is wrong in one situation - don't have my > book with me to check, but . . . > > If you're the _overtaking_ vessel, and want to pass with the overtaken > vessel on your starboard (right side), you signal with ONE WHISTLE, not > TWO. I remember it by likening it to passing on a highway - the "normal" > passing situation is #1, the "abnormal" is #2. > > Your example ASSUMES that you're the overtaken (not overtaking) vessel. ************** > At 09:12 PM 6/26/2003, Charles Culotta wrote: > > > > > > > On "one" is port to port...or going to starboard. > > > More properly it's..."I intend to leave you on my port side" not so > >properly > > > is "I'm going to starboard." However...either works. > > > >Ralph, et al, > > > >The EASY way to remember this and it is true meeting and overtaking: > > > >If I am on the right ONE WHISTLE > > > >If I am on the left TWO WHISTLES > > > >This takes all the ambiguity out of the equation!!!!

You're making it way too difficult. Overtaking, meeting or crossing, one whistle means you're steering your boat to your right, two mean you're steering to your left. Works every time. Bob Peterson <snip> From: Bob McLeran If you're the _overtaking_ vessel, and want to pass with the overtaken vessel on your starboard (right side), you signal with ONE WHISTLE, not TWO. I remember it by likening it to passing on a highway - the "normal" passing situation is #1, the "abnormal" is #2.

Any explanation of a nav rule that requires more than about 25 words to explain is fraught with danger. Stick to the wording in the rules. The essential element of the rules is that all mariners can derive the same sense from the rule itself, regardless of language or experience. Bob Peterson has it right. See below. At 11:03 AM 6/27/03 -0700, you wrote: >You're making it way too difficult. Overtaking, meeting or crossing, one >whistle means you're steering your boat to your right, two mean you're Capt. Mike Maurice Wilsonville, Near Portland Oregon