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TWL: Boat Move Galveston to Kentucky Lakes via the Tenn-Tom

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Frank & Carol Worden
Mon, Dec 16, 2002 6:25 PM

I will be moving a 38' trawler from Galveston, TX to the Kentucky Lakes Region
via Mobile and the Tombigbee Waterway. Our eventual destination is Lake
Superior.

The first time period will be 16 days over the Christmas Holidays.

I have the Quimby Cruising Guide.

I have never made this trip and would appreciate any advise and
recommendations for making this trip.

What river maps from the Army Corps of Engineers do I need?

Does anyone know what river flow to expect this time of year, I am dealing
with an 8 knot boat and only 10 hours of daylight?

Can the ICW between Galveston and Mobile Bay, or portions be run at night or
should this be a daylight only trip.

Any and all advice is appreciated.

Frank in Minnesota.

I will be moving a 38' trawler from Galveston, TX to the Kentucky Lakes Region via Mobile and the Tombigbee Waterway. Our eventual destination is Lake Superior. The first time period will be 16 days over the Christmas Holidays. I have the Quimby Cruising Guide. I have never made this trip and would appreciate any advise and recommendations for making this trip. What river maps from the Army Corps of Engineers do I need? Does anyone know what river flow to expect this time of year, I am dealing with an 8 knot boat and only 10 hours of daylight? Can the ICW between Galveston and Mobile Bay, or portions be run at night or should this be a daylight only trip. Any and all advice is appreciated. Frank in Minnesota.
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Ted Brustowicz
Mon, Dec 16, 2002 6:58 PM

I would not consider moving the boat at night between Galveston and Mobile
unless you had done this route many times before and are equipped with Radar
and good plotter. Best to do this sunrise to sunset. Sixteen days will
probably get you to the DOG RIVER in Mobile where you can leave the boat
prior to transiting the TENN-TOM

Ted Brustowicz  MD(ret)
Capnspirit@earthlink.net
"MOONSHINE", DeFever 43
Cape Coral, Fl

I would not consider moving the boat at night between Galveston and Mobile unless you had done this route many times before and are equipped with Radar and good plotter. Best to do this sunrise to sunset. Sixteen days will probably get you to the DOG RIVER in Mobile where you can leave the boat prior to transiting the TENN-TOM Ted Brustowicz MD(ret) Capnspirit@earthlink.net "MOONSHINE", DeFever 43 Cape Coral, Fl
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Charles Culotta
Mon, Dec 16, 2002 11:27 PM

Frank,
Having just traveled from La. to Knoxville ( and back)  via the Tenn.-Tom I
do have some suggestions  and will ans. parenthetically:

I will be moving a 38' trawler from Galveston, TX to the Kentucky Lakes

Region

via Mobile and the Tombigbee Waterway
The first time period will be 16 days over the Christmas Holidays.

You will definately need  more time.
Galveston to Patterson ( Morgan City, La.) abt 3 days probably 4.
Patterson ,La.  ( 95 WHL) to Mobile Bay Dog River  4 days minimum  and we
took 6 to do it. Most of the time we take abt 4 or 5 days.
Dog river to Tenn. River abt 9 days.
Then you do the Tenn. river!

I have the Quimby Cruising Guide.

No offense to Quimby but Fred Myers book is  WAY better.
Particularly for a ferry trip.
Rumsey's book is very good and I used both.

What river maps from the Army Corps of Engineers do I need?

Get the chart books on the Tombigbee and Tenn. river.
You also need the ICW and the Mobile Bay charts.
In Mississippi you need several of the  coastal charts in addition to the
ICW ones. Dont forget that Dog river , the jumping off pt is 15 miles below
Mobile and then the 65 miles of the Mobile river to the Tombigbee.

Does anyone know what river flow to expect this time of year,

Flow is abt minimal now but it is still there. having just completed the

trip going up you will spend  DAYS  below 7  MILES PER HOUR.

Can the ICW between Galveston and Mobile Bay, or portions be run at night

or

should this be a daylight only trip.

Dont even think of traveling the ICW at night .
The same goes for the Tenn-Tom and Tenn rivers.

Any and all advice is appreciated.

My 2 cents worth.
Please get in touch and I ll  be happy to help . See our web site for info
on crossing  Louisiana.
CCC

M/V CC RIDER
CHARLES and PAT CULOTTA
Patterson, La.
http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/

Frank, Having just traveled from La. to Knoxville ( and back) via the Tenn.-Tom I do have some suggestions and will ans. parenthetically: > I will be moving a 38' trawler from Galveston, TX to the Kentucky Lakes Region > via Mobile and the Tombigbee Waterway > The first time period will be 16 days over the Christmas Holidays. > You will definately need more time. Galveston to Patterson ( Morgan City, La.) abt 3 days probably 4. Patterson ,La. ( 95 WHL) to Mobile Bay Dog River 4 days minimum and we took 6 to do it. Most of the time we take abt 4 or 5 days. Dog river to Tenn. River abt 9 days. Then you do the Tenn. river! > I have the Quimby Cruising Guide. No offense to Quimby but Fred Myers book is WAY better. Particularly for a ferry trip. Rumsey's book is very good and I used both. > > What river maps from the Army Corps of Engineers do I need? > Get the chart books on the Tombigbee and Tenn. river. You also need the ICW and the Mobile Bay charts. In Mississippi you need several of the coastal charts in addition to the ICW ones. Dont forget that Dog river , the jumping off pt is 15 miles below Mobile and then the 65 miles of the Mobile river to the Tombigbee. > Does anyone know what river flow to expect this time of year, >Flow is abt minimal now but it is still there. having just completed the trip going up you will spend DAYS below 7 MILES PER HOUR. > Can the ICW between Galveston and Mobile Bay, or portions be run at night or > should this be a daylight only trip. > Dont even think of traveling the ICW at night . The same goes for the Tenn-Tom and Tenn rivers. > Any and all advice is appreciated. My 2 cents worth. Please get in touch and I ll be happy to help . See our web site for info on crossing Louisiana. CCC M/V CC RIDER CHARLES and PAT CULOTTA Patterson, La. http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/
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Jean & Michael
Tue, Dec 17, 2002 11:36 PM

I will be moving a 38' trawler from Galveston, TX to the Kentucky Lakes

Region

via Mobile and the Tombigbee Waterway

Frank- We made the trip from Kentucky Lakes to Demopolis, Al last fall
'01and
left our boat there for repairs. Going upriver to the dams like Barkley and
Pickwick our 8 mph dropped to 2 as we approached the locks. One of the
reasons we did not stay in the Kentucky Lakes where we hauled out was to get
ahead of the foul winter weather including ice storms the locals talked
about

Returning Christmas day, we left the 26th for the 235 statute mile trip to
the Grand Mariner Marina on the Dog River off Mobile Bay. There is no fuel
and very limited cell phone coverage. Be sure to calculate your fuel flow
accurately and conservatively allowing for going against the current. Speed
over the bottom is greatly diminished There were rains earlier in the month,
the water level at Demopolis was about 9 feet higher than when we left and
it had been several feet higher the week before. Even
above the lock & dam at Demopolis there was a fair current, but the current
below was STRONG. Seems like we did about 8 mph hour just coasting. There
are also a few more locks & dams on the way to Mobile that you will have to
come up thru. There can be a lot of water against you trying to get to the
Gulf, with a lot of debris like trees above & below the surface.
Guess on the plus side, once you get above the Black Warrior River
near Demopolis the current lessens.

Another thing about the locks is that they are not on your schedule. We
waited up to 4 hours and once had to wait
overnight as did not want to exit a lock in the dark then try to find an
anchorage.  And watch that North wind. We had it at 25-30 on the Ohio River
out of Louisville and that head wind is really tough looking down the river
5 miles
with a 2-3 ft chop to the next bend where we would turn out of it. When we
left Demopolis the
low temp was 22 and mid 40's in the day. That did not change much the week
we were in Mobile and
the North wind just screamed down us. It started to snow New Years Day, but
we
were home then.

With only 16 days, I suggest preplanning several locations to leave your
boat in the event you do not make it as far as you want.  BTW- We found Fred
at the Demopolis Yacht Basin and Willie at the Grand Mariner great guys and
recommend both facilities if you need to leave your boat there.

The Army Corps charts are good and can be bought along the way. Just be
sure to get the most current editions.

Feel free to email me off list if you want any more info or phone 530
477-0151.

Michael Wilkie
Grass Valley, Cal.

> I will be moving a 38' trawler from Galveston, TX to the Kentucky Lakes Region > via Mobile and the Tombigbee Waterway Frank- We made the trip from Kentucky Lakes to Demopolis, Al last fall '01and left our boat there for repairs. Going upriver to the dams like Barkley and Pickwick our 8 mph dropped to 2 as we approached the locks. One of the reasons we did not stay in the Kentucky Lakes where we hauled out was to get ahead of the foul winter weather including ice storms the locals talked about Returning Christmas day, we left the 26th for the 235 statute mile trip to the Grand Mariner Marina on the Dog River off Mobile Bay. There is no fuel and very limited cell phone coverage. Be sure to calculate your fuel flow accurately and conservatively allowing for going against the current. Speed over the bottom is greatly diminished There were rains earlier in the month, the water level at Demopolis was about 9 feet higher than when we left and it had been several feet higher the week before. Even above the lock & dam at Demopolis there was a fair current, but the current below was STRONG. Seems like we did about 8 mph hour just coasting. There are also a few more locks & dams on the way to Mobile that you will have to come up thru. There can be a lot of water against you trying to get to the Gulf, with a lot of debris like trees above & below the surface. Guess on the plus side, once you get above the Black Warrior River near Demopolis the current lessens. Another thing about the locks is that they are not on your schedule. We waited up to 4 hours and once had to wait overnight as did not want to exit a lock in the dark then try to find an anchorage. And watch that North wind. We had it at 25-30 on the Ohio River out of Louisville and that head wind is really tough looking down the river 5 miles with a 2-3 ft chop to the next bend where we would turn out of it. When we left Demopolis the low temp was 22 and mid 40's in the day. That did not change much the week we were in Mobile and the North wind just screamed down us. It started to snow New Years Day, but we were home then. With only 16 days, I suggest preplanning several locations to leave your boat in the event you do not make it as far as you want. BTW- We found Fred at the Demopolis Yacht Basin and Willie at the Grand Mariner great guys and recommend both facilities if you need to leave your boat there. The Army Corps charts are good and can be bought along the way. Just be sure to get the most current editions. Feel free to email me off list if you want any more info or phone 530 477-0151. Michael Wilkie Grass Valley, Cal.