On 04/25/2010 10:55 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: > On 25 April 2010 02:39, Magnus Danielson<magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: >> On 04/24/2010 03:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Hmmm, good point. >>> >>> The port must have been to something other than Linux. >> >> One of the many flavours of BSD I guess, or one of the many other flavours >> of UNIX. >> >> I have become old enough that most of the UNIX flavours I have worked on is >> now deceased or about to. This is mainly the history of commercial UNIXes. > > Unix will never die! They said it was going to die in the 80's but > it's still going strong in some form or another, or imitated, > embedded, pervasive, a survivor. What's more the ones you think are > deceased are still being used out there by small and large groups of > people who just won't let it die, they'll have to prise it out of > their cold dead hands. Why, well people swear by it, all the other OS' > people just swear at them (well at least one OS I can think of :) You didn't get me right... UNIX (and offspring Linux) is not dying, but Xenix, SunOS, Ultrix, OSF/1, HP-UX, IRIX etc. is dying or dead. Wonder what is happening to AIX (which I haven't used) and Solaris. These are all various vendors proprietary variants of UNIX. The field have shifted in that sense. A greater part of the OS is now being brought in from the open and only necessary stuff is added for the task at hand. Proprietary OSes in the old sense is less and less meaningful. Cheers, Magnus

Hi Solaris at least has "seen the light" and is becoming a lot more open than it once was. Bob On Apr 25, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > On 04/25/2010 10:55 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: >> On 25 April 2010 02:39, Magnus Danielson<magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: >>> On 04/24/2010 03:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> Hmmm, good point. >>>> >>>> The port must have been to something other than Linux. >>> >>> One of the many flavours of BSD I guess, or one of the many other flavours >>> of UNIX. >>> >>> I have become old enough that most of the UNIX flavours I have worked on is >>> now deceased or about to. This is mainly the history of commercial UNIXes. >> >> Unix will never die! They said it was going to die in the 80's but >> it's still going strong in some form or another, or imitated, >> embedded, pervasive, a survivor. What's more the ones you think are >> deceased are still being used out there by small and large groups of >> people who just won't let it die, they'll have to prise it out of >> their cold dead hands. Why, well people swear by it, all the other OS' >> people just swear at them (well at least one OS I can think of :) > > You didn't get me right... UNIX (and offspring Linux) is not dying, but Xenix, SunOS, Ultrix, OSF/1, HP-UX, IRIX etc. is dying or dead. Wonder what is happening to AIX (which I haven't used) and Solaris. These are all various vendors proprietary variants of UNIX. The field have shifted in that sense. A greater part of the OS is now being brought in from the open and only necessary stuff is added for the task at hand. > > Proprietary OSes in the old sense is less and less meaningful. > > Cheers, > Magnus > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

Hi Magnus, On 26 April 2010 00:01, Magnus Danielson <magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: >>> I have become old enough that most of the UNIX flavours I have worked on >>> is >>> now deceased or about to. This is mainly the history of commercial >>> UNIXes. > You didn't get me right... UNIX (and offspring Linux) is not dying, but > Xenix, SunOS, Ultrix, OSF/1, HP-UX, IRIX etc. is dying or dead. Wonder what > is happening to AIX (which I haven't used) and Solaris. These are all > various vendors proprietary variants of UNIX. The field have shifted in that > sense. A greater part of the OS is now being brought in from the open and > only necessary stuff is added for the task at hand. Excuse me for reading it the way I did as you can get two meanings from what you said. Whatever is said about the rag, tag and bobtail variants of 'nix, there are still folks keeping them alive because they have applications/hardware/fan-cub interests. Strange in a way, I can't imagine anyone wanting to keep WinME, or even Vista (among others), alive today. Agreed, why reinvent the wheel. Once something has gone through a long history of incremental development and debugging it seems like a sensible idea to use that as a foundation and build on it. > Proprietary OSes in the old sense is less and less meaningful. It's just an OS after all, nothing more than that, but it does form the foundation of any system and it needs to be rock solid. Sadly some software houses seem to think that a stable sold foundation is not sexy so they stick some chipboard down on the floor, knock up some plasterboard walls (who needs brick on the outside) add a hardboard roof and then add lots of dazzling Christmas lights, gargoyles, flashing neon lights, spinning mirror balls, and all the carlos-fandango flashy accessories under the sun. And in 6(2) years time they go and build another house but this time they change about 80% of the design completely because no-one can ever remember how they made the last one and all the young people who built it are burnt out and have left for the hills leaving no documentation (who needs documentation anyway). And the strange thing is that people wonder how you can make an open source OS for free, I mean it costs big money to make anything good right :) Sorry for the waste of bandwidth guys. Cheers, Steve > > Cheers, > Magnus > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure.