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Re: T&T: Buying our first trawler-Advice? To the List

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Stephen Offutt
Sun, Dec 10, 2006 9:35 AM

Eric,
Ask and ye shall receive, my trawler brother to the west. Verily, I say, she
lye'th with fuel level glass to speak of each tank.  And, behold within the
span of the inboard side of each of those, awaits a somewhat rounded-edge
access port of the dimensions of yonder football, where-through the gates of
fuel containment await our seldom attended (hopefully) passage.  Yes, the
vision is upon us and the way is provident. Or, good call Eric, and I hope
it works.  It must be getting late here.
Thanks,
On the Hard in Mobile,
stephen_offutt@sbcglobal.net
------Original Message-----
-From: capteric36@sbcglobal.net [mailto:capteric36@sbcglobal.net]
-Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:06 AM
-To: Stephen Offutt
-Subject: Re: T&T: Buying our first trawler-Advice? To the List

-Stephen,

  • Great!
  • Now I only have one more question. Is there any
    -access to the fuel tanks?
  • It sure would be nice to be able to add LARGE
    -access ports for manual cleaning of the inside of
    -the tanks. Once clean the future fuel problems can
    -be reduced to a tiny minimum.
  • Oh yeah, and can you 'stick' the tanks for fuel
    -level confirmation?
  • That is needed too...

-Eric Thompson
-S/V Procrastinator
-South San Francisco
-capteric36@sbcglobal.net

------ Original Message -----
-From: "Stephen Offutt" soffutt@sbcglobal.net
-To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
-Cc: capteric36@sbcglobal.net
-Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:48 AM
-Subject: RE: T&T: Buying our first trawler-Advice?
-To the List

-> Eric,
-> Good point, I neglected to complete that
-thought.  The deck and all external
-> structure have been painted, in the deck areas
-with awgrip which looks good
-> to my eye.  No wood will be added to exterior
-surfaces. I agree with you and
-> worry about deck screw/sealant leakage at that
-age, Thanks
-> On the Hard in Mobile
-> stephen_offutt@sbcglobal.net
->
-> ------Original Message-----
-> -From: capteric36@sbcglobal.net
-[mailto:capteric36@sbcglobal.net]
-> -Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:27 AM
-> -To: Stephen Offutt
-> -Subject: Re: T&T: Buying our first
-trawler-Advice? To the List
-> -
-> -Stephen,
-> - You mentioned that the teak decks had been
-> -removed. What is the plan for the decks?
-> - I it was me I would NOT want wood on the
-outside
-> -of my 'new' boat!
-> - Find out what the plan is, and if possible
-talk
-> -the guy out of installing teak.
-> -
-> - Maybe a new fiberglass anti-skid surface?
-> -
-> -Eric Thompson
-> -S/V Procrastinator
-> -South San Francisco
-> -capteric36@sbcglobal.net
-> -
-> ------ Original Message -----
-> -From: "Stephen Offutt" soffutt@sbcglobal.net
-> -To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
-> -Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:12 AM
-> -Subject: Re: T&T: Buying our first
-trawler-Advice?
-> -To the List
-> -
-> -
-> -> To the List,
-> -> I wrote:
-> -> >We are buying a trawler for
-> -part-time-live-aboard. I'm asking for any
-> -> thoughts/experience on the >following
-specifics
-> -of this.
-> ->
-> -> Thank you all for your thoughts and comments.
-I
-> -have consolidated them into
-> -> a check list and have used it all through the
-> -'4-5 rounds' of
-> -> negotiations/counter offers.  This has been
-> -going on for 9 days now and the
-> -> admiral and I are worn out and were planning
-to
-> -move on to St Petersburg
-> -> tomorrow if this did not finish today.  About
-> -the drawn-out negotiations, my
-> -> brother - a wunderkind salesman - said "it
-> -sounds like two people trying to
-> -> kill a deal".
-> ->
-> -> By the way, my wrong on the engine.  It is a
-> -PERKINS 200.    We had looked
-> -> at 9 boats from Corpus Christi to Mobile on
-our
-> -boat quest thus far.  I was
-> -> getting them confused.  We left home just
-after
-> -Thanksgiving - with
-> -> everything packed on top and Dutch the dog in
-> -back, determined to find the
-> -> right boat if we had to do the loop by car to
-do
-> -it.
-> ->
-> -> This 1983 36' Lien Hwa (Sea Star model) is
-being
-> -refitted from the hull up
-> -> by the seller, who owns boat yard.  Seller
-> -states, in writing, that the only
-> -> hurricane damage to this boat was that it
-> -floated off the blocks and
-> -> settled, with minor dings and scrapes from
-> -debris.  It has been completely
-> -> refinished outside.  I checked around some
-and
-> -the yard seems to have a good
-> -> name, even back home.  I checked on certified
-> -surveyors, found a couple who
-> -> have done a lot of survey work with trawlers
-pre
-> -and post hurricanes in this
-> -> area.  Both warned about meter checking for
-> -water damage, oil
-> -> contamination, etc. (as discussed by List
-> -members).  Previous engine had
-> -> 1800 hrs and we are told that it sucked up a
-bag
-> -while the charter group
-> -> ignored alarms - engine damaged ergo
-replaced.
-> -I dug through some rust on
-> -> an engine mount, found metal underneath.  I
-can
-> -see about 40% of the fuel
-> -> tank tops and they appear dusty, dry and rust
-> -free.  Seller (with his
-> -> boatyard) will warrant the engine for parts
-and
-> -labor for one year (we will
-> -> be in this part of the ICW for near that).
-The
-> -8kw Onan has 1300 hrs.  He
-> -> agreed to refurbish and warrant all boat
-systems
-> -for one year (all parts
-> -> included and labor at his cost with priority
-> -scheduling for any work) and
-> -> polish the current fuel and fill tanks (I
-listen
-> -to the List).  Seller is
-> -> the original owner and ordered it new for
-> -charter work.  It never did have
-> -> teak in the saloon or down galley (marine
-> -wallpaper).  These spaces are now
-> -> cleaned down to the plywood interior
-bulkheads.
-> -They look solid with no
-> -> darkened or weak areas.  Teak decking has
-been
-> -removed and the entire
-> -> exterior refinished, including bottom job.
-> ->
-> -> Today, we reached a final agreement and
-signed
-> -off with a deposit on It
-> -> (She-in-waiting?).
-> ->
-> -> I will engage - what I think/hope is - a good
-> -surveyor for survey and sea
-> -> trials.  If anyone can recommend a good
-surveyor
-> -in the Mobile-Pensacola
-> -> area, please do so.  We are going to remain
-here
-> -through the refit process
-> -> and I will stay involved daily.  I should
-learn
-> -a lot about the boat during
-> -> that period.  After 2+ years out of service,
-> -re-commission is scheduled for
-> -> 31 January 2007.  We will run shake-downs for
-> -the boat (and us) over the
-> -> following few months.  Further thoughts and
-> -comments are greatly appreciated
-> ->
-> ->  Wow, it feels great to be this scared!  I
-think
-> -I hear boater's best day #1
-> -> coming.
-> -> On the Hard in Mobile
-> -> stephen_offutt@sbcglobal.net
-> ->
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Eric, Ask and ye shall receive, my trawler brother to the west. Verily, I say, she lye'th with fuel level glass to speak of each tank. And, behold within the span of the inboard side of each of those, awaits a somewhat rounded-edge access port of the dimensions of yonder football, where-through the gates of fuel containment await our seldom attended (hopefully) passage. Yes, the vision is upon us and the way is provident. Or, good call Eric, and I hope it works. It must be getting late here. Thanks, On the Hard in Mobile, stephen_offutt@sbcglobal.net ------Original Message----- -From: capteric36@sbcglobal.net [mailto:capteric36@sbcglobal.net] -Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:06 AM -To: Stephen Offutt -Subject: Re: T&T: Buying our first trawler-Advice? To the List - -Stephen, - Great! - Now I only have one more question. Is there any -access to the fuel tanks? - It sure would be nice to be able to add LARGE -access ports for manual cleaning of the inside of -the tanks. Once clean the future fuel problems can -be reduced to a tiny minimum. - Oh yeah, and can you 'stick' the tanks for fuel -level confirmation? - That is needed too... - -Eric Thompson -S/V Procrastinator -South San Francisco -capteric36@sbcglobal.net - ------ Original Message ----- -From: "Stephen Offutt" <soffutt@sbcglobal.net> -To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> -Cc: <capteric36@sbcglobal.net> -Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:48 AM -Subject: RE: T&T: Buying our first trawler-Advice? -To the List - - -> Eric, -> Good point, I neglected to complete that -thought. The deck and all external -> structure have been painted, in the deck areas -with awgrip which looks good -> to my eye. No wood will be added to exterior -surfaces. I agree with you and -> worry about deck screw/sealant leakage at that -age, Thanks -> On the Hard in Mobile -> stephen_offutt@sbcglobal.net -> -> ------Original Message----- -> -From: capteric36@sbcglobal.net -[mailto:capteric36@sbcglobal.net] -> -Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:27 AM -> -To: Stephen Offutt -> -Subject: Re: T&T: Buying our first -trawler-Advice? To the List -> - -> -Stephen, -> - You mentioned that the teak decks had been -> -removed. What is the plan for the decks? -> - I it was me I would NOT want wood on the -outside -> -of my 'new' boat! -> - Find out what the plan is, and if possible -talk -> -the guy out of installing teak. -> - -> - Maybe a new fiberglass anti-skid surface? -> - -> -Eric Thompson -> -S/V Procrastinator -> -South San Francisco -> -capteric36@sbcglobal.net -> - -> ------ Original Message ----- -> -From: "Stephen Offutt" <soffutt@sbcglobal.net> -> -To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> -> -Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:12 AM -> -Subject: Re: T&T: Buying our first -trawler-Advice? -> -To the List -> - -> - -> -> To the List, -> -> I wrote: -> -> >We are buying a trawler for -> -part-time-live-aboard. I'm asking for any -> -> thoughts/experience on the >following -specifics -> -of this. -> -> -> -> Thank you all for your thoughts and comments. -I -> -have consolidated them into -> -> a check list and have used it all through the -> -'4-5 rounds' of -> -> negotiations/counter offers. This has been -> -going on for 9 days now and the -> -> admiral and I are worn out and were planning -to -> -move on to St Petersburg -> -> tomorrow if this did not finish today. About -> -the drawn-out negotiations, my -> -> brother - a wunderkind salesman - said "it -> -sounds like two people trying to -> -> kill a deal". -> -> -> -> By the way, my wrong on the engine. It is a -> -PERKINS 200. We had looked -> -> at 9 boats from Corpus Christi to Mobile on -our -> -boat quest thus far. I was -> -> getting them confused. We left home just -after -> -Thanksgiving - with -> -> everything packed on top and Dutch the dog in -> -back, determined to find the -> -> right boat if we had to do the loop by car to -do -> -it. -> -> -> -> This 1983 36' Lien Hwa (Sea Star model) is -being -> -refitted from the hull up -> -> by the seller, who owns boat yard. Seller -> -states, in writing, that the only -> -> hurricane damage to this boat was that it -> -floated off the blocks and -> -> settled, with minor dings and scrapes from -> -debris. It has been completely -> -> refinished outside. I checked around some -and -> -the yard seems to have a good -> -> name, even back home. I checked on certified -> -surveyors, found a couple who -> -> have done a lot of survey work with trawlers -pre -> -and post hurricanes in this -> -> area. Both warned about meter checking for -> -water damage, oil -> -> contamination, etc. (as discussed by List -> -members). Previous engine had -> -> 1800 hrs and we are told that it sucked up a -bag -> -while the charter group -> -> ignored alarms - engine damaged ergo -replaced. -> -I dug through some rust on -> -> an engine mount, found metal underneath. I -can -> -see about 40% of the fuel -> -> tank tops and they appear dusty, dry and rust -> -free. Seller (with his -> -> boatyard) will warrant the engine for parts -and -> -labor for one year (we will -> -> be in this part of the ICW for near that). -The -> -8kw Onan has 1300 hrs. He -> -> agreed to refurbish and warrant all boat -systems -> -for one year (all parts -> -> included and labor at his cost with priority -> -scheduling for any work) and -> -> polish the current fuel and fill tanks (I -listen -> -to the List). Seller is -> -> the original owner and ordered it new for -> -charter work. It never did have -> -> teak in the saloon or down galley (marine -> -wallpaper). These spaces are now -> -> cleaned down to the plywood interior -bulkheads. -> -They look solid with no -> -> darkened or weak areas. Teak decking has -been -> -removed and the entire -> -> exterior refinished, including bottom job. -> -> -> -> Today, we reached a final agreement and -signed -> -off with a deposit on It -> -> (She-in-waiting?). -> -> -> -> I will engage - what I think/hope is - a good -> -surveyor for survey and sea -> -> trials. If anyone can recommend a good -surveyor -> -in the Mobile-Pensacola -> -> area, please do so. We are going to remain -here -> -through the refit process -> -> and I will stay involved daily. I should -learn -> -a lot about the boat during -> -> that period. After 2+ years out of service, -> -re-commission is scheduled for -> -> 31 January 2007. We will run shake-downs for -> -the boat (and us) over the -> -> following few months. Further thoughts and -> -comments are greatly appreciated -> -> -> -> Wow, it feels great to be this scared! I -think -> -I hear boater's best day #1 -> -> coming. -> -> On the Hard in Mobile -> -> stephen_offutt@sbcglobal.net -> -> -_______________________________________________ -> -> -> -http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawl -ers-and-trawlering -> -> -> -> To unsubscribe send email to -> -> -> -trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.c -om -> -with the word -> -> UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject -or -> -body of the message. -> -> -> -> Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks -of -> -Water World -> -> Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. ->