We are all dying. Mark Mark S. Szantyr 56 Maple Road Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut 06268 USA 1-860-429-2641 Birddog55@charter.net "first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Ghandi -----Original Message----- From: CTBirds [mailto:ctbirds-bounces@lists.ctbirding.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Baston Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:21 PM To: Dan Rottino Cc: <ctbirds@lists.ctbirding.org> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Survival of Fork-tailed Flycatcher Well how do we know it's not dying. The only way to tell its condition would be to capture it, feel its keel and get a weight. I've held many skinny birds that look healthy even up close. I say if its catchable catch it, bring it to a licensed rehabilitator and let them decide. It is legal to bring it to someone that is federally licensed. Melissa Baston Sent by MellyB On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Dan Rottino <rottino@hotmail.com> wrote: > I did say if it was "obviously dying". I am a dreamer too. If its healthy, then leave it be. But if on the odd chance it were found near death, then... > It seems there is no clear line on which ones are de facto saved vs the ones that are not. > Dan > > On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:23 PM, kmueller@ntplx.net wrote: > >> I agree with that! >> >> I keep going back to something I have always believed and constantly >> say, which was also reiterated by Dave Provencher the other day. "I >> think it is a mistake to try and interpret an animal's behavior using human logic or human behavior patterns". Perfectly stated! >> >> Just because we are cold doesn't mean the bird is! We look at the perceived long migration route this bird has endured and will have to repeat in reverse under harsher circumstances and our hearts sink. To us we feel it can never be accomplished now because of the cold weather. I say, why not? If there are poison ivy and other berries here in CT, than I assume they are also on Long Island, and in New Jersey, and Maryland, Virginia, Carolinas, etc! And the farther south this bird travels, the potential for bug protein in its diet also increases! I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet! In fact, I am not the least bit concerned! >> >> Call me a dreamer......but I am not the only one! :^) >> >> Keith Mueller >> >> >> _______________________________________________ This list is provided by the Connecticut Ornithological Association (COA) for the discussion of birds and birding in Connecticut. For subscription information visit http://lists.ctbirding.org/mailman/listinfo/ctbirds_lists.ctbirding.org

With every breath. Can we please stop discussing the ethical question of this Fork-tailed Fly? It is crashing my computer. If it does perish, we may get another study skin for Peabody. I got your back Mark. Are we even positive this bird didn't escape from a collector somewhere? Just asking...things that make the birding community go hmmmmm Dave Tripp Canton Sent from my iPad mini > On Dec 10, 2013, at 5:42 PM, "Mark Szantyr" <birddog55@charter.net> wrote: > > We are all dying. > > Mark > > Mark S. Szantyr > 56 Maple Road > Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut 06268 > USA > > 1-860-429-2641 > Birddog55@charter.net > "first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then > you win." Ghandi > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CTBirds [mailto:ctbirds-bounces@lists.ctbirding.org] On Behalf Of > Melissa Baston > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:21 PM > To: Dan Rottino > Cc: <ctbirds@lists.ctbirding.org> > Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Survival of Fork-tailed Flycatcher > > Well how do we know it's not dying. The only way to tell its condition would > be to capture it, feel its keel and get a weight. I've held many skinny > birds that look healthy even up close. > > I say if its catchable catch it, bring it to a licensed rehabilitator and > let them decide. It is legal to bring it to someone that is federally > licensed. > > Melissa Baston > > Sent by MellyB > >> On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Dan Rottino <rottino@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> I did say if it was "obviously dying". I am a dreamer too. If its > healthy, then leave it be. But if on the odd chance it were found near > death, then... >> It seems there is no clear line on which ones are de facto saved vs the > ones that are not. >> Dan >> >>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:23 PM, kmueller@ntplx.net wrote: >>> >>> I agree with that! >>> >>> I keep going back to something I have always believed and constantly >>> say, which was also reiterated by Dave Provencher the other day. "I >>> think it is a mistake to try and interpret an animal's behavior using > human logic or human behavior patterns". Perfectly stated! >>> >>> Just because we are cold doesn't mean the bird is! We look at the > perceived long migration route this bird has endured and will have to repeat > in reverse under harsher circumstances and our hearts sink. To us we feel it > can never be accomplished now because of the cold weather. I say, why not? > If there are poison ivy and other berries here in CT, than I assume they are > also on Long Island, and in New Jersey, and Maryland, Virginia, Carolinas, > etc! And the farther south this bird travels, the potential for bug protein > in its diet also increases! I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet! > In fact, I am not the least bit concerned! >>> >>> Call me a dreamer......but I am not the only one! :^) >>> >>> Keith Mueller > > _______________________________________________ > This list is provided by the Connecticut Ornithological Association (COA) > for the discussion of birds and birding in Connecticut. > For subscription information visit > http://lists.ctbirding.org/mailman/listinfo/ctbirds_lists.ctbirding.org > > > _______________________________________________ > This list is provided by the Connecticut Ornithological Association (COA) for the discussion of birds and birding in Connecticut. > For subscription information visit http://lists.ctbirding.org/mailman/listinfo/ctbirds_lists.ctbirding.org