Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches <bill.riches@verizon.net>wrote: > Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are done > testing. > > Bill WA2DVU > Cape May, NJ > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Mike Garvey > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and Time > Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this past > week. > > There will be a follow-up manuscript. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of paul swed > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > Rich > Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz <rputz@bnin.net > >wrote: > > > Hi all; > > > > I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, I > > guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? > > > > Rich > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin > > fo/time-nuts> > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest LF News on the right side. There is a paper here http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdfthat I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking about the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. Alan On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches <bill.riches@verizon.net > >wrote: > > > Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are done > > testing. > > > > Bill WA2DVU > > Cape May, NJ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > > Behalf Of Mike Garvey > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM > > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > > > Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and Time > > Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this past > > week. > > > > There will be a follow-up manuscript. > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > > Behalf Of paul swed > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > Rich > > Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? > > Paul > > WB8TSL > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz <rputz@bnin.net > > >wrote: > > > > > Hi all; > > > > > > I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, I > > > guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin > > > fo/time-nuts> > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

Link does not work?? On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Hochhalter <alanh137@gmail.com> wrote: > There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest LF > News on the right side. > > There is a paper here > > http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdfthat > I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it > with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking about > the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. > > Alan > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. > > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches <bill.riches@verizon.net > > >wrote: > > > > > Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are > done > > > testing. > > > > > > Bill WA2DVU > > > Cape May, NJ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > On > > > Behalf Of Mike Garvey > > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM > > > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > > > > > > Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and Time > > > Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this past > > > week. > > > > > > There will be a follow-up manuscript. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > On > > > Behalf Of paul swed > > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM > > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > > > Rich > > > Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? > > > Paul > > > WB8TSL > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz <rputz@bnin.net > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all; > > > > > > > > I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, I > > > > guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** > > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin > > > > fo/time-nuts> > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

Not sure why the link does not work but the docs under the whitepapers. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Hochhalter <alanh137@gmail.com> wrote: > There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest LF > News on the right side. > > There is a paper here > > http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdfthat > I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it > with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking about > the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. > > Alan > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. > > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches <bill.riches@verizon.net > > >wrote: > > > > > Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are > done > > > testing. > > > > > > Bill WA2DVU > > > Cape May, NJ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > On > > > Behalf Of Mike Garvey > > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM > > > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > > > > > > Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and Time > > > Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this past > > > week. > > > > > > There will be a follow-up manuscript. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > On > > > Behalf Of paul swed > > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM > > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > > > Rich > > > Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? > > > Paul > > > WB8TSL > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz <rputz@bnin.net > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all; > > > > > > > > I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, I > > > > guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** > > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin > > > > fo/time-nuts> > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

Take the "that" off the end of the address and it works. John WA4WDL -------------------------------------------------- From: "paul swed" <paulswedb@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > Not sure why the link does not work but the docs under the whitepapers. > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Hochhalter <alanh137@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest LF >> News on the right side. >> >> There is a paper here >> >> http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdfthat >> I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it >> with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking >> about >> the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. >> >> Alan >> >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches <bill.riches@verizon.net >> > >wrote: >> > >> > > Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are >> done >> > > testing. >> > > >> > > Bill WA2DVU >> > > Cape May, NJ >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] >> On >> > > Behalf Of Mike Garvey >> > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM >> > > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' >> > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >> > > >> > > >> > > Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and >> > > Time >> > > Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this >> > > past >> > > week. >> > > >> > > There will be a follow-up manuscript. >> > > >> > > Mike >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] >> On >> > > Behalf Of paul swed >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM >> > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >> > > >> > > Rich >> > > Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? >> > > Paul >> > > WB8TSL >> > > >> > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz <rputz@bnin.net >> > > >wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi all; >> > > > >> > > > I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, >> > > > I >> > > > guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? >> > > > >> > > > Rich >> > > > >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ >> > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >> > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin >> > > > fo/time-nuts> >> > > > and follow the instructions there. >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> > > and follow the instructions there. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> > > To unsubscribe, go to >> > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> > > and follow the instructions there. >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> > To unsubscribe, go to >> > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> > and follow the instructions there. >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

Try it now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul swed" <paulswedb@gmail.com> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran Not sure why the link does not work but the docs under the whitepapers. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Hochhalter <alanh137@gmail.com> wrote: > There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest LF > News on the right side. > > There is a paper here > > http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdf > I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it > with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking about > the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. > > Alan > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. > > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches <bill.riches@verizon.net > > >wrote: > > > > > Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are > done > > > testing. > > > > > > Bill WA2DVU > > > Cape May, NJ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > On > > > Behalf Of Mike Garvey > > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM > > > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > > > > > > Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and Time > > > Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this > > > past > > > week. > > > > > > There will be a follow-up manuscript. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > On > > > Behalf Of paul swed > > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM > > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > > > > > > Rich > > > Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? > > > Paul > > > WB8TSL > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz <rputz@bnin.net > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all; > > > > > > > > I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, > > > > I > > > > guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** > > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin > > > > fo/time-nuts> > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

On 12/01/2012 04:10 PM, paul swed wrote: > Not sure why the link does not work but the docs under the whitepapers. As someone forgot to press space after the link, the word "that" merged to the ".pdf" end, so removing the "that" unintentional ending gives you a working link: http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdf Looks like an interesting paper. Gotta read it. Waveforms included! Cheers, Magnus > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Hochhalter<alanh137@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest LF >> News on the right side. >> >> There is a paper here >> >> http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdfthat >> I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it >> with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking about >> the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. >> >> Alan >> >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed<paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches<bill.riches@verizon.net >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are >> done >>>> testing. >>>> >>>> Bill WA2DVU >>>> Cape May, NJ >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] >> On >>>> Behalf Of Mike Garvey >>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >>>> >>>> >>>> Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and Time >>>> Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this past >>>> week. >>>> >>>> There will be a follow-up manuscript. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] >> On >>>> Behalf Of paul swed >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM >>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? >>>> Paul >>>> WB8TSL >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz<rputz@bnin.net >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all; >>>>> >>>>> I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, I >>>>> guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? >>>>> >>>>> Rich >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >>>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin >>>>> fo/time-nuts> >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

Remove the "that" from "pdfthat" ? paul swed wrote: > Not sure why the link does not work but the docs under the whitepapers. > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Hochhalter <alanh137@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest LF >> News on the right side. >> >> There is a paper here >> >> http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdfthat >> I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it >> with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking about >> the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. >> >> Alan >> >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches <bill.riches@verizon.net >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are >> done >>>> testing. >>>> >>>> Bill WA2DVU >>>> Cape May, NJ >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] >> On >>>> Behalf Of Mike Garvey >>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >>>> >>>> >>>> Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and Time >>>> Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this past >>>> week. >>>> >>>> There will be a follow-up manuscript. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] >> On >>>> Behalf Of paul swed >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM >>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? >>>> Paul >>>> WB8TSL >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz <rputz@bnin.net >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all; >>>>> >>>>> I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, I >>>>> guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? >>>>> >>>>> Rich >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >>>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin >>>>> fo/time-nuts> >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

Very interesting topic. So, it appears that UrsaNav bought a pair of companies that have interesting IP. In particular, CrossRate has a few interesting patents -- this may be the most relevant: United States Patent Application 20080144744: A system for demodulation of the Loran Data Channel transmitted over the Enhanced Loran (eLoran) system including a quadrature filter. The quadrature filter calculates the real and quadrature phase components of a received ninth pulse. The resultant components are used to obtain the angle of the ninth pulse. This angle is then compared with a set of pre-tabulated angles/symbols that are calculated using the same quadrature filter on thirty-two different simulated ninth pulses. The closest angle match gives the corresponding symbol. Such twenty-four symbols make up a single Reed Solomon encoded message. This message is then passed through a Reed Solomon decoder and the transmitted message is obtained. Also, UrsaNav teamed with Nautel, noted LF amplifier designer for this system. Interesting. On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> wrote: > Remove the "that" from "pdfthat" ? > > > paul swed wrote: > >> Not sure why the link does not work but the docs under the whitepapers. >> >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Hochhalter <alanh137@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest LF >>> News on the right side. >>> >>> There is a paper here >>> >>> http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-**content/uploads/2011/09/** >>> Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-**Paper.pdfthat<http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdfthat> >>> I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it >>> with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking >>> about >>> the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches <bill.riches@verizon.net >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are >>>>> >>>> done >>> >>>> testing. >>>>> >>>>> Bill WA2DVU >>>>> Cape May, NJ >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@**febo.com<time-nuts-bounces@febo.com> >>>>> ] >>>>> >>>> On >>> >>>> Behalf Of Mike Garvey >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM >>>>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and Time >>>>> Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this past >>>>> week. >>>>> >>>>> There will be a follow-up manuscript. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@**febo.com<time-nuts-bounces@febo.com> >>>>> ] >>>>> >>>> On >>> >>>> Behalf Of paul swed >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM >>>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >>>>> >>>>> Rich >>>>> Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? >>>>> Paul >>>>> WB8TSL >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz <rputz@bnin.net >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all; >>>>>> >>>>>> I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, I >>>>>> guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? >>>>>> >>>>>> Rich >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**** <https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**> >>>>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< >>>>>> >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**mailman/listin<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin> >>> >>>> fo/time-nuts> >>>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/**mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> > and follow the instructions there. >

On 12/01/2012 05:05 PM, Mark Kahrs wrote: > Very interesting topic. So, it appears that UrsaNav bought a pair of > companies that have interesting IP. In particular, CrossRate has a few > interesting patents -- this may be the most relevant: > > United States Patent Application 20080144744: > > A system for demodulation of the Loran Data Channel transmitted over the > Enhanced Loran (eLoran) system including a quadrature filter. The > quadrature filter calculates the real and quadrature phase components of a > received ninth pulse. The resultant components are used to obtain the angle > of the ninth pulse. This angle is then compared with a set of pre-tabulated > angles/symbols that are calculated using the same quadrature filter on > thirty-two different simulated ninth pulses. The closest angle match gives > the corresponding symbol. Such twenty-four symbols make up a single Reed > Solomon encoded message. This message is then passed through a Reed Solomon > decoder and the transmitted message is obtained. Do read the paper, as it proposed to remove the ninth pulse and use a OFDMA modulation for the data-part while the PNT part would be modified variants of the traditional LORAN-C pulses. This patent would those not be relevant for the proposed scheme. > Also, UrsaNav teamed with Nautel, noted LF amplifier designer for this > system. Interesting. Considering that they intend to change pulse-shapes and even add a complete new modulation technique, the transmitters need to support it. Cheers, Magnus

>From Page 5: "The need to offer legacy LORAN-C system capabilityt for legacy LORAN-C is not required in the US and...." Does anybody who heard the test signal know for certain that the modulation was that being proposed? Perhaps they were just testing a new transmitter with the old modulation? It looks to me like this is another new format, requiring the purchase of new receivers from a sole source supplier who has probably got the whole thing wrapped up in patents... hence another government sanctioned monopoly with commensurate prices. -John ============ > On 12/01/2012 04:10 PM, paul swed wrote: >> Not sure why the link does not work but the docs under the whitepapers. > > As someone forgot to press space after the link, the word "that" merged > to the ".pdf" end, so removing the "that" unintentional ending gives you > a working link: > http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdf > > Looks like an interesting paper. Gotta read it. Waveforms included! > > Cheers, > Magnus > >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Hochhalter<alanh137@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest >>> LF >>> News on the right side. >>> >>> There is a paper here >>> >>> http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdfthat >>> I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it >>> with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking >>> about >>> the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed<paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches<bill.riches@verizon.net >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are >>> done >>>>> testing. >>>>> >>>>> Bill WA2DVU >>>>> Cape May, NJ >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] >>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Mike Garvey >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM >>>>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and >>>>> Time >>>>> Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this >>>>> past >>>>> week. >>>>> >>>>> There will be a follow-up manuscript. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] >>> On >>>>> Behalf Of paul swed >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM >>>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran >>>>> >>>>> Rich >>>>> Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? >>>>> Paul >>>>> WB8TSL >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz<rputz@bnin.net >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all; >>>>>> >>>>>> I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, >>>>>> I >>>>>> guessing from New Jersey. Anyone else hearing these? >>>>>> >>>>>> Rich >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >>>>>> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts< >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listin >>>>>> fo/time-nuts> >>>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >

-------- In message <52350.12.6.201.2.1354382552.squirrel@popaccts.quikus.com>, "J. Fors ter" writes: >It looks to me like this is another new format, requiring the purchase of >new receivers from a sole source supplier who has probably got the whole >thing wrapped up in patents... hence another government sanctioned >monopoly with commensurate prices. As much as we foreigners appreciate the dysfunctionality of the US political system, could we maybe make time-nuts the one place were we don't have to hear ranting about it all the time ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

On 12/01/2012 06:34 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > -------- > In message<52350.12.6.201.2.1354382552.squirrel@popaccts.quikus.com>, "J. Fors > ter" writes: > >> It looks to me like this is another new format, requiring the purchase of >> new receivers from a sole source supplier who has probably got the whole >> thing wrapped up in patents... hence another government sanctioned >> monopoly with commensurate prices. > > As much as we foreigners appreciate the dysfunctionality of the US > political system, could we maybe make time-nuts the one place were > we don't have to hear ranting about it all the time ? Agreeing with Poul-Henning. I do enjoy the discussions on the merits of various systems, a modernized Loran included. Long threads ranting about these issues however is outside the scope and just annoying. There is obviously opinions enough for a separate list on the topic of PNT IPR issues, so let's move it there. Cheers, Magnus

John I can only say that the austrons had no problem copying the signal and locking. I know that eloran in europe was going to main compatibility with the old systems. So no way to know if it was a different transmitter or much of anything else. Regards Paul On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:22 PM, J. Forster <jfor@quikus.com> wrote: > From Page 5: > > "The need to offer legacy LORAN-C system capabilityt for legacy LORAN-C is > not required in the US and...." > > Does anybody who heard the test signal know for certain that the > modulation was that being proposed? Perhaps they were just testing a new > transmitter with the old modulation? > > It looks to me like this is another new format, requiring the purchase of > new receivers from a sole source supplier who has probably got the whole > thing wrapped up in patents... hence another government sanctioned > monopoly with commensurate prices. > > -John > > ============ > > > > > > > > On 12/01/2012 04:10 PM, paul swed wrote: > >> Not sure why the link does not work but the docs under the whitepapers. > > > > As someone forgot to press space after the link, the word "that" merged > > to the ".pdf" end, so removing the "that" unintentional ending gives you > > a working link: > > > http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdf > > > > Looks like an interesting paper. Gotta read it. Waveforms included! > > > > Cheers, > > Magnus > > > >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Hochhalter<alanh137@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> There is some info here http://www.ursanav.com/ - click on the Latest > >>> LF > >>> News on the right side. > >>> > >>> There is a paper here > >>> > >>> > http://www.nautelnav.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nautel-UrsaNav-NAV10-Research-Paper.pdfthat > >>> I think is relevant. It will take me some time to wade through it > >>> with no guarantee I'll understand it enough to be sure it is talking > >>> about > >>> the same thing so I thought I'd pass it along. > >>> > >>> Alan > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM, paul swed<paulswedb@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Well as predicted they went home at 5pm. Signals off the air. > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bill Riches<bill.riches@verizon.net > >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Nothing going on in Cape May for a while - I don't know if they are > >>> done > >>>>> testing. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bill WA2DVU > >>>>> Cape May, NJ > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > >>> On > >>>>> Behalf Of Mike Garvey > >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:25 PM > >>>>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Might be these guys; this abstract is from the Precision Time and > >>>>> Time > >>>>> Interval (PTTI) Meeting which took place in Reston, VA during this > >>>>> past > >>>>> week. > >>>>> > >>>>> There will be a follow-up manuscript. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > >>> On > >>>>> Behalf Of paul swed > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:35 PM > >>>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran > >>>>> > >>>>> Rich > >>>>> Did not see anyone respond. Are you still hearing the signal? > >>>>> Paul > >>>>> WB8TSL > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz<rputz@bnin.net > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi all; > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I 'm hearing Loran C signals here in northern Indiana this evening, > >>>>>> I > >>>>>> guessing from New Jersey. 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