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bucks2@aol.com

Tue, Dec 29, 2009 5:07 PM

Thanks Scott Welch, I thought maybe I was the only one who was using the
"old style" crimpers. The Kleins work well and I've seen no reason to switch
to a ratchet style crimper. Perhaps it has to do with forearm/hand
strength when squeezing. If your hands aren't used to a lot of squeezing type
motion, you may not be able to apply the leverage necessary to make a good
crimp. The Kleins long handles allow plenty of leverage on the terminal with a
good hard squeeze.

Please note that I'm not insulting anyone's manliness here, just noting
that the guy who physically picks up garbage cans all day and dumps them in
the back of the garbage truck probably has more hand strength than the
fellow who signs and pushes paper around a desk.

Also note that I'm not talking about the dollar store style
stripper/crimper pliers, but the style that Scott provided the link to.

Ken

In a message dated 12/28/2009 9:00:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com writes:

The ratcheting crimpers are quite bulky and require a fair bit of
working
room, whereas the Klein plier-style is easier to snake into a tight area.
The Kleins have a very handy pair of sidecutters on the nose, which are
perfect for trimming both the ends of wires as well as nipping zip-ties.

Thanks Scott Welch, I thought maybe I was the only one who was using the "old style" crimpers. The Kleins work well and I've seen no reason to switch to a ratchet style crimper. Perhaps it has to do with forearm/hand strength when squeezing. If your hands aren't used to a lot of squeezing type motion, you may not be able to apply the leverage necessary to make a good crimp. The Kleins long handles allow plenty of leverage on the terminal with a good hard squeeze. Please note that I'm not insulting anyone's manliness here, just noting that the guy who physically picks up garbage cans all day and dumps them in the back of the garbage truck probably has more hand strength than the fellow who signs and pushes paper around a desk. Also note that I'm not talking about the dollar store style stripper/crimper pliers, but the style that Scott provided the link to. Ken In a message dated 12/28/2009 9:00:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com writes: 3) The ratcheting crimpers are quite bulky and require a fair bit of working room, whereas the Klein plier-style is easier to snake into a tight area. 4) The Kleins have a very handy pair of sidecutters on the nose, which are perfect for trimming both the ends of wires as well as nipping zip-ties.

AW

Andy Woods

Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:30 AM

Thanks Scott Welch, I thought maybe I was the only one who was using the
"old style" crimpers.

Actually, there are three of us. But I have a different approach. I use
uninsulated terminals then apply heat shrink tubing over the length of the
terminal and on to the conductor insulation. I make sure the heat shrink
covers up the end of the bare conductors in the terminal and is far enough up
the conductor insulation to provide support. This makes a really good
looking, streamlined termination, and completely seals up the conductor
strands. I was using insulated terminals and applying heat shrink over but
the end result was to bulky.

The Kleins work well and I've seen no reason to switch
to a ratchet style crimper. Perhaps it has to do with forearm/hand
strength when squeezing.

Professionals who need to apply terminals to conductors a lot use the
ratcheting style crimper to mitigate a medical malady called Carpal Tunnel
Syndrome. Likewise ratcheting style cable cutters, power screwdrivers, or
high leverage tools otherwise called ergonomic. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is
essentially a pinched nerve in your wrist that causes your hand to go numb and
usually gives extreme pain up your arm. The nerve is pinched due to muscle
build up in your hand from constantly cutting cables or crimping terminals.
This is not limited to electricians. Carpenters, plumbers, butchers, anybody
who is constantly using their hands. Many people develop CTS from typing.

Happy Crimping,

Andy

Andy Woods
Grand Folly
1970 Grand Banks 36 Classic
Blades, DE.
grandfolly@hotmail.com

> Thanks Scott Welch, I thought maybe I was the only one who was using the > "old style" crimpers. Actually, there are three of us. But I have a different approach. I use uninsulated terminals then apply heat shrink tubing over the length of the terminal and on to the conductor insulation. I make sure the heat shrink covers up the end of the bare conductors in the terminal and is far enough up the conductor insulation to provide support. This makes a really good looking, streamlined termination, and completely seals up the conductor strands. I was using insulated terminals and applying heat shrink over but the end result was to bulky. >The Kleins work well and I've seen no reason to switch > to a ratchet style crimper. Perhaps it has to do with forearm/hand > strength when squeezing. Professionals who need to apply terminals to conductors a lot use the ratcheting style crimper to mitigate a medical malady called Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. Likewise ratcheting style cable cutters, power screwdrivers, or high leverage tools otherwise called ergonomic. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is essentially a pinched nerve in your wrist that causes your hand to go numb and usually gives extreme pain up your arm. The nerve is pinched due to muscle build up in your hand from constantly cutting cables or crimping terminals. This is not limited to electricians. Carpenters, plumbers, butchers, anybody who is constantly using their hands. Many people develop CTS from typing. Happy Crimping, Andy Andy Woods Grand Folly 1970 Grand Banks 36 Classic Blades, DE. grandfolly@hotmail.com

SH

Scott H.E. Welch

Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:38 AM

Andy Woods grandfolly@hotmail.com writes:

Professionals who need to apply terminals to conductors a lot use the
ratcheting style crimper to mitigate a medical malady called Carpal Tunnel
Syndrome.

CTS is indeed serious. However, I have to report that the force required to
use the Ancor ratcheting crimper is actually GREATER than the Klein crimpers.
In fact, because the handles of the Ancor are even further apart when you
start to crimp (about 45 degrees), I found that my wrist and hands were MUCH
more painful than with the Kleins (where the handles are only about 15
degrees when you start).

YMMV, as always.

Scott Welch

"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn
out." - John Wooden

Andy Woods <grandfolly@hotmail.com> writes: >Professionals who need to apply terminals to conductors a lot use the >ratcheting style crimper to mitigate a medical malady called Carpal Tunnel >Syndrome. CTS is indeed serious. However, I have to report that the force required to use the Ancor ratcheting crimper is actually GREATER than the Klein crimpers. In fact, because the handles of the Ancor are even further apart when you start to crimp (about 45 degrees), I found that my wrist and hands were MUCH more painful than with the Kleins (where the handles are only about 15 degrees when you start). YMMV, as always. Scott Welch "Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out." - John Wooden

LH

L H

Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:15 AM

List,

I think the advantage to the rachet crimpers is a consistent, uniform
crimping no matter whose hand holds the tool.

Larry H

List, I think the advantage to the rachet crimpers is a consistent, uniform crimping no matter whose hand holds the tool. Larry H

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