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Ed Mersich
Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:05 PM

I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it seemed
to be working  fine.  In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP
PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away on Feb
28, must not be leap year related.  About a week ago I got a Holdover: xx
secs, message.  It was a new figure in yellow.  Yesterday the Thunderbolt
stopped working correctly, there were no satellites found.  I tried Lady
Heather, and Trimble Studio without success.    I finally got the unit back
in service with a program called "Tboltmon.exe".  After it was running for a
couple of hours I restarted Lady Heather.  This morning I again have
"Holdover: 50 secs".

Does it sound normal, or is this unit headed for the junk box?  Sorry, I am
not very technical about this type of electronics.  You can see a snapshot
of Lady Heather at: http://wa6rzw.homelinux.net/addon/fmt/fmt_2.php  Any
comments or suggestions would be appreciated.  73  Ed,  WA6RZW

I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it seemed to be working fine. In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away on Feb 28, must not be leap year related. About a week ago I got a Holdover: xx secs, message. It was a new figure in yellow. Yesterday the Thunderbolt stopped working correctly, there were no satellites found. I tried Lady Heather, and Trimble Studio without success. I finally got the unit back in service with a program called "Tboltmon.exe". After it was running for a couple of hours I restarted Lady Heather. This morning I again have "Holdover: 50 secs". Does it sound normal, or is this unit headed for the junk box? Sorry, I am not very technical about this type of electronics. You can see a snapshot of Lady Heather at: http://wa6rzw.homelinux.net/addon/fmt/fmt_2.php Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. 73 Ed, WA6RZW
CA
Chris Albertson
Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:16 PM

Maybe it's the antenna, or a short in the cable (water in the coax) or a
nearby transmitters that is jamming the GPS signal.  The simplest way to
diagnose the problem is by swapping parts.    Is your antenna in a good
location with a direct view of the entire sky?

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Ed Mersich wa6rzw@comcast.net wrote:

I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it seemed
to be working  fine.  In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP
PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away on Feb
28, must not be leap year related.  About a week ago I got a Holdover: xx
secs, message.  It was a new figure in yellow.  Yesterday the Thunderbolt
stopped working correctly, there were no satellites found.  I tried Lady
Heather, and Trimble Studio without success.    I finally got the unit back
in service with a program called "Tboltmon.exe".  After it was running for
a
couple of hours I restarted Lady Heather.  This morning I again have
"Holdover: 50 secs".

Does it sound normal, or is this unit headed for the junk box?  Sorry, I am
not very technical about this type of electronics.  You can see a snapshot
of Lady Heather at: http://wa6rzw.homelinux.net/addon/fmt/fmt_2.php  Any
comments or suggestions would be appreciated.  73  Ed,  WA6RZW


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Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California

Maybe it's the antenna, or a short in the cable (water in the coax) or a nearby transmitters that is jamming the GPS signal. The simplest way to diagnose the problem is by swapping parts. Is your antenna in a good location with a direct view of the entire sky? On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Ed Mersich <wa6rzw@comcast.net> wrote: > I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it seemed > to be working fine. In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP > PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away on Feb > 28, must not be leap year related. About a week ago I got a Holdover: xx > secs, message. It was a new figure in yellow. Yesterday the Thunderbolt > stopped working correctly, there were no satellites found. I tried Lady > Heather, and Trimble Studio without success. I finally got the unit back > in service with a program called "Tboltmon.exe". After it was running for > a > couple of hours I restarted Lady Heather. This morning I again have > "Holdover: 50 secs". > > > > Does it sound normal, or is this unit headed for the junk box? Sorry, I am > not very technical about this type of electronics. You can see a snapshot > of Lady Heather at: http://wa6rzw.homelinux.net/addon/fmt/fmt_2.php Any > comments or suggestions would be appreciated. 73 Ed, WA6RZW > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California
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Azelio Boriani
Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:52 PM

There is a leap second waiting for June/July this year.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Chris Albertson
albertson.chris@gmail.comwrote:

Maybe it's the antenna, or a short in the cable (water in the coax) or a
nearby transmitters that is jamming the GPS signal.  The simplest way to
diagnose the problem is by swapping parts.    Is your antenna in a good
location with a direct view of the entire sky?

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Ed Mersich wa6rzw@comcast.net wrote:

I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it

seemed

to be working  fine.  In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP
PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away on

Feb

28, must not be leap year related.  About a week ago I got a Holdover: xx
secs, message.  It was a new figure in yellow.  Yesterday the Thunderbolt
stopped working correctly, there were no satellites found.  I tried Lady
Heather, and Trimble Studio without success.    I finally got the unit

back

in service with a program called "Tboltmon.exe".  After it was running

for

a
couple of hours I restarted Lady Heather.  This morning I again have
"Holdover: 50 secs".

Does it sound normal, or is this unit headed for the junk box?  Sorry, I

am

not very technical about this type of electronics.  You can see a

snapshot

of Lady Heather at: http://wa6rzw.homelinux.net/addon/fmt/fmt_2.php  Any
comments or suggestions would be appreciated.  73  Ed,  WA6RZW


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Chris Albertson
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There is a leap second waiting for June/July this year. On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Chris Albertson <albertson.chris@gmail.com>wrote: > Maybe it's the antenna, or a short in the cable (water in the coax) or a > nearby transmitters that is jamming the GPS signal. The simplest way to > diagnose the problem is by swapping parts. Is your antenna in a good > location with a direct view of the entire sky? > > > > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Ed Mersich <wa6rzw@comcast.net> wrote: > > > I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it > seemed > > to be working fine. In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP > > PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away on > Feb > > 28, must not be leap year related. About a week ago I got a Holdover: xx > > secs, message. It was a new figure in yellow. Yesterday the Thunderbolt > > stopped working correctly, there were no satellites found. I tried Lady > > Heather, and Trimble Studio without success. I finally got the unit > back > > in service with a program called "Tboltmon.exe". After it was running > for > > a > > couple of hours I restarted Lady Heather. This morning I again have > > "Holdover: 50 secs". > > > > > > > > Does it sound normal, or is this unit headed for the junk box? Sorry, I > am > > not very technical about this type of electronics. You can see a > snapshot > > of Lady Heather at: http://wa6rzw.homelinux.net/addon/fmt/fmt_2.php Any > > comments or suggestions would be appreciated. 73 Ed, WA6RZW > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Tom Van Baak
Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:01 PM

I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it seemed
to be working  fine.  In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP
PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away on Feb
28, must not be leap year related.

Hi Ed,

Right, in this case the "LEAP" refers to a leap second, not a leap
year. When the next leap second occurs this summer, the yellow
warning will go away.

As you know, leap years are used to keep "days" and "years" in
sync, where a day is earth rotation (about its axis) and a year is
earth revolution (around the sun). Last one was: Feb 29, 2012.

Similarly, leap seconds are used to keep "seconds" and "days" in
sync, where a second is now defined by atomic standards and a
day is earth rotation. Next one is: 19:59:60 EDT, Jun 30, 2012.

Keeping clocks in sync is a significant part of the timekeeping
world. For example, with quartz and GPS it's easy to "discipline"
quartz in order to steer it closer to GPS. This is done by making
slight changes in quartz EFC voltage to change the frequency, to
close the differential time error.

But when it comes to orbits and planets, objects too large for us
to change their rate, objects which have no EFC input, we have
to resort to making artificial, bookkeeping, virtual steps in time
instead of gradual changes in physical rate.

/tvb

> I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it seemed > to be working fine. In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP > PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away on Feb > 28, must not be leap year related. Hi Ed, Right, in this case the "LEAP" refers to a leap second, not a leap year. When the next leap second occurs this summer, the yellow warning will go away. As you know, leap years are used to keep "days" and "years" in sync, where a day is earth rotation (about its axis) and a year is earth revolution (around the sun). Last one was: Feb 29, 2012. Similarly, leap seconds are used to keep "seconds" and "days" in sync, where a second is now defined by atomic standards and a day is earth rotation. Next one is: 19:59:60 EDT, Jun 30, 2012. Keeping clocks in sync is a significant part of the timekeeping world. For example, with quartz and GPS it's easy to "discipline" quartz in order to steer it closer to GPS. This is done by making slight changes in quartz EFC voltage to change the frequency, to close the differential time error. But when it comes to orbits and planets, objects too large for us to change their rate, objects which have no EFC input, we have to resort to making artificial, bookkeeping, virtual steps in time instead of gradual changes in physical rate. /tvb
DR
Dan Rae
Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:10 PM

Ed, the message about leap pending refers to an impending leap second,
in June I think but others may know more...  It will happen and the
message will go away. From your LH screen, I would say that your signal
levels are way too low.  I don't know why, perhaps low antenna gain, a
badly sited antenna, even indoors maybe?  I suspect the t'bolt is
working as it should.

You don't show your signal strength numbers, but here in Southern
California with a well sited -hp- antenna, I see all visible sats with
between 47 and 50 signal strength numbers and thus large circles on the
map display.

Dan

Ed, the message about leap pending refers to an impending leap second, in June I think but others may know more... It will happen and the message will go away. From your LH screen, I would say that your signal levels are way too low. I don't know why, perhaps low antenna gain, a badly sited antenna, even indoors maybe? I suspect the t'bolt is working as it should. You don't show your signal strength numbers, but here in Southern California with a well sited -hp- antenna, I see all visible sats with between 47 and 50 signal strength numbers and thus large circles on the map display. Dan
MD
Magnus Danielson
Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:00 PM

On 04/23/2012 07:01 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote:

I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it
seemed
to be working fine. In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP
PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away
on Feb
28, must not be leap year related.

Hi Ed,

Right, in this case the "LEAP" refers to a leap second, not a leap
year. When the next leap second occurs this summer, the yellow
warning will go away.

As you know, leap years are used to keep "days" and "years" in
sync, where a day is earth rotation (about its axis) and a year is
earth revolution (around the sun). Last one was: Feb 29, 2012.

Similarly, leap seconds are used to keep "seconds" and "days" in
sync, where a second is now defined by atomic standards and a
day is earth rotation. Next one is: 19:59:60 EDT, Jun 30, 2012.

Keeping clocks in sync is a significant part of the timekeeping
world. For example, with quartz and GPS it's easy to "discipline"
quartz in order to steer it closer to GPS. This is done by making
slight changes in quartz EFC voltage to change the frequency, to
close the differential time error.

But when it comes to orbits and planets, objects too large for us
to change their rate, objects which have no EFC input, we have
to resort to making artificial, bookkeeping, virtual steps in time
instead of gradual changes in physical rate.

I thought someone finally put a cesium on the step motor keeping the ear
rotation. But no, free-wheeling like always. There is no order in this
universe.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 04/23/2012 07:01 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: >> I have been using a surplus Thunderbolt for about six months, and it >> seemed >> to be working fine. In January 2012, a message came up in yellow, (LEAP >> PENDING!), I don't know what this means, but since it didn't go away >> on Feb >> 28, must not be leap year related. > > Hi Ed, > > Right, in this case the "LEAP" refers to a leap second, not a leap > year. When the next leap second occurs this summer, the yellow > warning will go away. > > As you know, leap years are used to keep "days" and "years" in > sync, where a day is earth rotation (about its axis) and a year is > earth revolution (around the sun). Last one was: Feb 29, 2012. > > Similarly, leap seconds are used to keep "seconds" and "days" in > sync, where a second is now defined by atomic standards and a > day is earth rotation. Next one is: 19:59:60 EDT, Jun 30, 2012. > > Keeping clocks in sync is a significant part of the timekeeping > world. For example, with quartz and GPS it's easy to "discipline" > quartz in order to steer it closer to GPS. This is done by making > slight changes in quartz EFC voltage to change the frequency, to > close the differential time error. > > But when it comes to orbits and planets, objects too large for us > to change their rate, objects which have no EFC input, we have > to resort to making artificial, bookkeeping, virtual steps in time > instead of gradual changes in physical rate. I thought someone finally put a cesium on the step motor keeping the ear rotation. But no, free-wheeling like always. There is no order in this universe. Cheers, Magnus
KJ
ken johnson
Mon, Apr 23, 2012 11:37 PM

Not yet Marcus- that sort of technology will come right after the ftl
drive, but just before we start building a dyson sphere..........

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Magnus Danielson
magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote:

I thought someone finally put a cesium on the step motor keeping the ear
rotation. But no, free-wheeling like always. There is no order in this
universe.

Cheers,
Magnus

Ken.

Not yet Marcus- that sort of technology will come right after the ftl drive, but just before we start building a dyson sphere.......... On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Magnus Danielson <magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: > > > I thought someone finally put a cesium on the step motor keeping the ear > rotation. But no, free-wheeling like always. There is no order in this > universe. > > Cheers, > Magnus Ken.