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Brian Lloyd
Fri, May 9, 2014 8:55 PM

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP disciplined by
my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten there ahead of me I
would like to follow in your footsteps rather than finding the mines in the
minefield all by myself. :-)

--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
706 Flightline Drive
Spring Branch, TX 78070
brian@lloyd.com
+1.916.877.5067

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-) -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 706 Flightline Drive Spring Branch, TX 78070 brian@lloyd.com +1.916.877.5067
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nuts
Sat, May 10, 2014 12:16 AM

On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500
Brian Lloyd brian@lloyd.com wrote:

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP
disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten
there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather
than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-)

I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing.

On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500 Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote: > Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP > disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten > there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather > than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-) > > I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing.
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Graham
Sat, May 10, 2014 12:26 AM

I too have ntp running on the BeagleBone Black, also without GPS interfaced.

However, I stumbled across this website;

http://the8thlayerof.net/2013/12/08/adafruit-ultimate-gps-cape-creating-custom-beaglebone-black-device-tree-overlay-file/

with details on interfacing GPS but I haven't dug into the details yet
but it looks like a good start.

cheers, Graham ve3gtc

On 2014-05-10 00:16, nuts wrote:

On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500
Brian Lloyd brian@lloyd.com wrote:

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP
disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten
there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather
than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-)

I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing.


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I too have ntp running on the BeagleBone Black, also without GPS interfaced. However, I stumbled across this website; http://the8thlayerof.net/2013/12/08/adafruit-ultimate-gps-cape-creating-custom-beaglebone-black-device-tree-overlay-file/ with details on interfacing GPS but I haven't dug into the details yet but it looks like a good start. cheers, Graham ve3gtc On 2014-05-10 00:16, nuts wrote: > On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500 > Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote: > >> Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP >> disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten >> there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather >> than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-) >> >> > I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Brian Lloyd
Sat, May 10, 2014 12:32 AM

On Friday, May 9, 2014, nuts nuts@lazygranch.com wrote:

On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500
Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com javascript:;> wrote:

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP
disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten
there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather
than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-)

I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing.

Ok. Did you build from source or did you have binaries?

--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
706 Flightline Drive
Spring Branch, TX 78070
brian@lloyd.com
+1.916.877.5067

On Friday, May 9, 2014, nuts <nuts@lazygranch.com> wrote: > On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500 > Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP > > disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten > > there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather > > than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-) > > > > > > I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing. Ok. Did you build from source or did you have binaries? -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 706 Flightline Drive Spring Branch, TX 78070 brian@lloyd.com +1.916.877.5067
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Graham
Sat, May 10, 2014 12:46 AM

I used the distribution of ntp provided in the Angstrom repository.

I believe there is a version of Debian available for the Beaglebone
Black and that too will have ntp in it's repository.

cheers, Graham ve3gtc

On 2014-05-10 00:32, Brian Lloyd wrote:

On Friday, May 9, 2014, nuts nuts@lazygranch.com wrote:

On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500
Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com javascript:;> wrote:

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP
disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten
there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather
than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-)

I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing.

Ok. Did you build from source or did you have binaries?

I used the distribution of ntp provided in the Angstrom repository. I believe there is a version of Debian available for the Beaglebone Black and that too will have ntp in it's repository. cheers, Graham ve3gtc On 2014-05-10 00:32, Brian Lloyd wrote: > On Friday, May 9, 2014, nuts <nuts@lazygranch.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500 >> Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com <javascript:;>> wrote: >> >>> Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP >>> disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten >>> there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather >>> than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-) >>> >>> >> I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing. > > Ok. Did you build from source or did you have binaries? > > >
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Chris Albertson
Sat, May 10, 2014 1:49 AM

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Brian Lloyd brian@lloyd.com wrote:

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP disciplined by
my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB.

NTP is likely already installed on the BBB.  It ships with the BBB.  Some
configuration is needed to enable the service.  Do this first and verify
you can run using Internet pool servers.  Then after this is running you
physically connect your GPS then add lines in NTP's config file telling NTP
you have added another ref. clock.

--

Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote: > Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP disciplined by > my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. NTP is likely already installed on the BBB. It ships with the BBB. Some configuration is needed to enable the service. Do this first and verify you can run using Internet pool servers. Then after this is running you physically connect your GPS then add lines in NTP's config file telling NTP you have added another ref. clock. -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California
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Brian Lloyd
Sat, May 10, 2014 2:23 AM

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Graham planophore@aei.ca wrote:

I too have ntp running on the BeagleBone Black, also without GPS
interfaced.

However, I stumbled across this website;

http://the8thlayerof.net/2013/12/08/adafruit-ultimate-gps-
cape-creating-custom-beaglebone-black-device-tree-overlay-file/

with details on interfacing GPS but I haven't dug into the details yet but
it looks like a good start.

Wow! Yes. The Debian packages are all out there. I am making a custom
"cape" that just brings the 5V 1pps in and converts it to 3.3V for
compatibility with the BBB.

First step is to configure ntp to run and then add in the hardware support
for 1pps and taking to the T-bolt. I will keep all apprised of my progress.

Thank you much!

cheers, Graham ve3gtc

On 2014-05-10 00:16, nuts wrote:

On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500
Brian Lloyd brian@lloyd.com wrote:

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP

disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten
there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather
than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-)

I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing.


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706 Flightline Drive
Spring Branch, TX 78070
brian@lloyd.com
+1.916.877.5067

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Graham <planophore@aei.ca> wrote: > I too have ntp running on the BeagleBone Black, also without GPS > interfaced. > > However, I stumbled across this website; > > http://the8thlayerof.net/2013/12/08/adafruit-ultimate-gps- > cape-creating-custom-beaglebone-black-device-tree-overlay-file/ > > with details on interfacing GPS but I haven't dug into the details yet but > it looks like a good start. > Wow! Yes. The Debian packages are all out there. I am making a custom "cape" that just brings the 5V 1pps in and converts it to 3.3V for compatibility with the BBB. First step is to configure ntp to run and then add in the hardware support for 1pps and taking to the T-bolt. I will keep all apprised of my progress. Thank you much! > > cheers, Graham ve3gtc > > > On 2014-05-10 00:16, nuts wrote: > >> On Fri, 9 May 2014 15:55:08 -0500 >> Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP >>> disciplined by my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. If someone has gotten >>> there ahead of me I would like to follow in your footsteps rather >>> than finding the mines in the minefield all by myself. :-) >>> >>> >>> I'm running NTP on it now, but not with GPS timing. >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 706 Flightline Drive Spring Branch, TX 78070 brian@lloyd.com +1.916.877.5067
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Brian Lloyd
Sat, May 10, 2014 2:32 AM

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Chris Albertson
albertson.chris@gmail.comwrote:

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Brian Lloyd brian@lloyd.com wrote:

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP disciplined by
my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB.

NTP is likely already installed on the BBB.  It ships with the BBB.

That may be the case for the Angstrom distro but it is not the case for the
Debian distro, which seems to be the future direction of BBB.

Some
configuration is needed to enable the service.  Do this first and verify
you can run using Internet pool servers.  Then after this is running you
physically connect your GPS then add lines in NTP's config file telling NTP
you have added another ref. clock.

This link:

http://the8thlayerof.net/2013/12/08/adafruit-ultimate-gps-cape-creating-custom-beaglebone-black-device-tree-overlay-file/

Seems to have the bulk of the requisite information including building a
GPS cape using the Adafruit GPS module. See:

https://www.adafruit.com/product/746

This isn't a timing receiver but would probably be adequate for NTP. But
since I already have a T-bolt I figured I would use that as my timing
source.

--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
706 Flightline Drive
Spring Branch, TX 78070
brian@lloyd.com
+1.916.877.5067

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Chris Albertson <albertson.chris@gmail.com>wrote: > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote: > > > Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP disciplined by > > my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. > > > NTP is likely already installed on the BBB. It ships with the BBB. That may be the case for the Angstrom distro but it is not the case for the Debian distro, which seems to be the future direction of BBB. > Some > configuration is needed to enable the service. Do this first and verify > you can run using Internet pool servers. Then after this is running you > physically connect your GPS then add lines in NTP's config file telling NTP > you have added another ref. clock. > This link: http://the8thlayerof.net/2013/12/08/adafruit-ultimate-gps-cape-creating-custom-beaglebone-black-device-tree-overlay-file/ Seems to have the bulk of the requisite information including building a GPS cape using the Adafruit GPS module. See: https://www.adafruit.com/product/746 This isn't a timing receiver but would probably be adequate for NTP. But since I already have a T-bolt I figured I would use that as my timing source. -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 706 Flightline Drive Spring Branch, TX 78070 brian@lloyd.com +1.916.877.5067
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Bill Dailey
Sat, May 10, 2014 2:59 AM

I have the adafruit and a ublox-6T each mated to raspberry pi's.  With NTP they are essentially indistinguishable.  I have something other than NTP in mind for the 6Tpi.

Sent from my iPad

On May 9, 2014, at 9:32 PM, Brian Lloyd brian@lloyd.com wrote:

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Chris Albertson
albertson.chris@gmail.comwrote:

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Brian Lloyd brian@lloyd.com wrote:

Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP disciplined by
my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB.

NTP is likely already installed on the BBB.  It ships with the BBB.

That may be the case for the Angstrom distro but it is not the case for the
Debian distro, which seems to be the future direction of BBB.

Some
configuration is needed to enable the service.  Do this first and verify
you can run using Internet pool servers.  Then after this is running you
physically connect your GPS then add lines in NTP's config file telling NTP
you have added another ref. clock.

This link:

http://the8thlayerof.net/2013/12/08/adafruit-ultimate-gps-cape-creating-custom-beaglebone-black-device-tree-overlay-file/

Seems to have the bulk of the requisite information including building a
GPS cape using the Adafruit GPS module. See:

https://www.adafruit.com/product/746

This isn't a timing receiver but would probably be adequate for NTP. But
since I already have a T-bolt I figured I would use that as my timing
source.

--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
706 Flightline Drive
Spring Branch, TX 78070
brian@lloyd.com
+1.916.877.5067


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I have the adafruit and a ublox-6T each mated to raspberry pi's. With NTP they are essentially indistinguishable. I have something other than NTP in mind for the 6Tpi. Sent from my iPad > On May 9, 2014, at 9:32 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote: > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Chris Albertson > <albertson.chris@gmail.com>wrote: > >>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone here made NTP run on BBB? My plan is to run NTP disciplined by >>> my Trimble Thunderbolt on BBB. >> >> >> NTP is likely already installed on the BBB. It ships with the BBB. > > > That may be the case for the Angstrom distro but it is not the case for the > Debian distro, which seems to be the future direction of BBB. > > >> Some >> configuration is needed to enable the service. Do this first and verify >> you can run using Internet pool servers. Then after this is running you >> physically connect your GPS then add lines in NTP's config file telling NTP >> you have added another ref. clock. > > This link: > > http://the8thlayerof.net/2013/12/08/adafruit-ultimate-gps-cape-creating-custom-beaglebone-black-device-tree-overlay-file/ > > Seems to have the bulk of the requisite information including building a > GPS cape using the Adafruit GPS module. See: > > https://www.adafruit.com/product/746 > > This isn't a timing receiver but would probably be adequate for NTP. But > since I already have a T-bolt I figured I would use that as my timing > source. > > -- > Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL > 706 Flightline Drive > Spring Branch, TX 78070 > brian@lloyd.com > +1.916.877.5067 > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Tom Van Baak
Sat, May 10, 2014 3:29 AM

I have the adafruit and a ublox-6T each mated to raspberry pi's.  With NTP they are essentially indistinguishable.  I have something other than NTP in mind for the 6Tpi.

Bill,

That makes sense. Your GPS receivers are about 1000x more accurate than necessary. NTP lives in the millisecond to microsecond world, and GPS receivers in a nanosecond world.

/tvb

>I have the adafruit and a ublox-6T each mated to raspberry pi's. With NTP they are essentially indistinguishable. I have something other than NTP in mind for the 6Tpi. Bill, That makes sense. Your GPS receivers are about 1000x more accurate than necessary. NTP lives in the millisecond to microsecond world, and GPS receivers in a nanosecond world. /tvb