Georgs: thanks so much for the kind words about the two year anniversary of the List and mention of us old timers!!! I seldom contribute but always lurk and listen and have learned much from this spectator sport. I am still a "wannabe" but know that some day the time will be right and I'll make that purchase and then be sending stories of my exploits for all of you to drool over! I go to the local boat shows and surf the net for specs on boats for sale....have even let a couple of really good prospects get away here lately....The list has taught me much about what I do and don't want in a trawler. I look forward to the upcoming event in Vallejo for us northern California types....hope to see you there....For the rest of you who contribute often,....remember the large number of us out here who are trying to learn thru your experience. Gary Grice...boatless in Folsom...but still dreamin'