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Re: [PUP] Thefts in St. Martin

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Dave Cooper
Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:49 AM

<Patrick wrote: ...My point is that St.Martin/Maarten is still in my humble
opinion one of the safest islands to visit. I still think that the crimes
that is happening is not taken seriously  enough by the authority and it's
good to bring it up.>

We can only report what we saw over the last six months of visiting every
island from Venezuela to the British Virgin Islands.
St Martin had the highest amount of boat break-ins and theft while we were
there. Most were on the Dutch side and three within sight of the new coast
guard station and within 2 to 300 meters of where we were anchored. Two more
were in front of Island Water World. Another was just over the line on the
French side....all in the Lagoon. St Maarten had the only advisory that we
ran into posted on the wall at immigration re traveling alone, hitchhiking
or using fake taxies.
The BVI was second with several dinghies.
Isla Margarita was third with one dinghy/with motor and one outboard.

Nothing else in the ~2100 miles in six months to report. Tho there are a lot
of rather old stories we discount reports more than six month old. The perps
have either been captured or hit the mother lode and retired. If they were
still on the scene then you'd hear reports from "yesterday or last week" not
a year ago or whatever.

As always YMMV.......

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58

<Patrick wrote: ...My point is that St.Martin/Maarten is still in my humble opinion one of the safest islands to visit. I still think that the crimes that is happening is not taken seriously enough by the authority and it's good to bring it up.> We can only report what we saw over the last six months of visiting every island from Venezuela to the British Virgin Islands. St Martin had the highest amount of boat break-ins and theft while we were there. Most were on the Dutch side and three within sight of the new coast guard station and within 2 to 300 meters of where we were anchored. Two more were in front of Island Water World. Another was just over the line on the French side....all in the Lagoon. St Maarten had the only advisory that we ran into posted on the wall at immigration re traveling alone, hitchhiking or using fake taxies. The BVI was second with several dinghies. Isla Margarita was third with one dinghy/with motor and one outboard. Nothing else in the ~2100 miles in six months to report. Tho there are a lot of rather old stories we discount reports more than six month old. The perps have either been captured or hit the mother lode and retired. If they were still on the scene then you'd hear reports from "yesterday or last week" not a year ago or whatever. As always YMMV....... Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58
PK
Patrik Kinander
Thu, Aug 16, 2007 2:47 AM

On 8/15/07, Dave Cooper swansong@gmn-usa.com wrote:

<Patrick wrote: ...My point is that St.Martin/Maarten is still in my humble
opinion one of the safest islands to visit. I still think that the crimes
that is happening is not taken seriously  enough by the authority and it's
good to bring it up.>

We can only report what we saw over the last six months of visiting every
island from Venezuela to the British Virgin Islands.
St Martin had the highest amount of boat break-ins and theft while we were
there. Most were on the Dutch side and three within sight of the new coast
guard station and within 2 to 300 meters of where we were anchored. Two more
were in front of Island Water World. Another was just over the line on the
French side....all in the Lagoon. St Maarten had the only advisory that we
ran into posted on the wall at immigration re traveling alone, hitchhiking
or using fake taxies.
The BVI was second with several dinghies.
Isla Margarita was third with one dinghy/with motor and one outboard.

Nothing else in the ~2100 miles in six months to report. Tho there are a lot
of rather old stories we discount reports more than six month old. The perps
have either been captured or hit the mother lode and retired. If they were
still on the scene then you'd hear reports from "yesterday or last week" not
a year ago or whatever.

As always YMMV.......

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58

Hi Dave and Nancy (and the list)
I recognize your boat name, and have seen the boat and heard you on the radio.

It's sad to here about your experience in St.Martin/Maarten, even
sadder that it apparently doesn't reach the public here. As I said, I
have never during my stay here since 2002 heard about any break-ins to
boat at anchor just a couple boats the got visit on the hard. Most of
my friends are live abords and no one has reported any problems.  If
what you say is true, and I believe you, then something should be done
about it!

St.M is still a friendly island, lot safer then most places in both US
and EU. Me and my girlfriend go out a lot. And offen walk back home or
to are dingy at night. Never had any problem.

As I said in my previous mail,  we been three times to Grenada - there
where break-ins every night specially in St.George lagun.

In Venezuela several of our friends have been robbed under gun point,
one shoot at and one even shoot in the belly (2003). This year one of
the Managers for one of the yards in Venezuela and his wife got shoot
died at the entrance to the yard. Several other cruisers shoot or/and
badly beaten.
(remember the france cruiser who in Mars got shoot 3 times and AFTER
that beaten. He survived but just)

In St.Lucia the crime rate has sky rocked the last 2 years. English
friends got badly beaten and tied up in Marigot bay last year, on
there boat at night. This was repeated several times this year but
mostly in Rodney Bay.

Not to mention Trinidad. Who this year has night patrols in the bay.

My point is that most of these crime doesn't even exist in St.M (yet).

I'm the Net Controller of the Scandinavian Net (8.182 8.00am local
time) down here in the Caribbean and hear all  about the security on
the Island and I still claim that St. Martin is one of the safest
island to stay on. Thats why we are here.

There is still a lot of crime on this Island too BUT most other
islands have far more and worse crime.

--
Patrik Kinander

On 8/15/07, Dave Cooper <swansong@gmn-usa.com> wrote: > <Patrick wrote: ...My point is that St.Martin/Maarten is still in my humble > opinion one of the safest islands to visit. I still think that the crimes > that is happening is not taken seriously enough by the authority and it's > good to bring it up.> > > We can only report what we saw over the last six months of visiting every > island from Venezuela to the British Virgin Islands. > St Martin had the highest amount of boat break-ins and theft while we were > there. Most were on the Dutch side and three within sight of the new coast > guard station and within 2 to 300 meters of where we were anchored. Two more > were in front of Island Water World. Another was just over the line on the > French side....all in the Lagoon. St Maarten had the only advisory that we > ran into posted on the wall at immigration re traveling alone, hitchhiking > or using fake taxies. > The BVI was second with several dinghies. > Isla Margarita was third with one dinghy/with motor and one outboard. > > Nothing else in the ~2100 miles in six months to report. Tho there are a lot > of rather old stories we discount reports more than six month old. The perps > have either been captured or hit the mother lode and retired. If they were > still on the scene then you'd hear reports from "yesterday or last week" not > a year ago or whatever. > > As always YMMV....... > > Dave & Nancy > Swan Song > Roughwater 58 > Hi Dave and Nancy (and the list) I recognize your boat name, and have seen the boat and heard you on the radio. It's sad to here about your experience in St.Martin/Maarten, even sadder that it apparently doesn't reach the public here. As I said, I have never during my stay here since 2002 heard about any break-ins to boat at anchor just a couple boats the got visit on the hard. Most of my friends are live abords and no one has reported any problems. If what you say is true, and I believe you, then something should be done about it! St.M is still a friendly island, lot safer then most places in both US and EU. Me and my girlfriend go out a lot. And offen walk back home or to are dingy at night. Never had any problem. As I said in my previous mail, we been three times to Grenada - there where break-ins every night specially in St.George lagun. In Venezuela several of our friends have been robbed under gun point, one shoot at and one even shoot in the belly (2003). This year one of the Managers for one of the yards in Venezuela and his wife got shoot died at the entrance to the yard. Several other cruisers shoot or/and badly beaten. (remember the france cruiser who in Mars got shoot 3 times and AFTER that beaten. He survived but just) In St.Lucia the crime rate has sky rocked the last 2 years. English friends got badly beaten and tied up in Marigot bay last year, on there boat at night. This was repeated several times this year but mostly in Rodney Bay. Not to mention Trinidad. Who this year has night patrols in the bay. My point is that most of these crime doesn't even exist in St.M (yet). I'm the Net Controller of the Scandinavian Net (8.182 8.00am local time) down here in the Caribbean and hear all about the security on the Island and I still claim that St. Martin is one of the safest island to stay on. Thats why we are here. There is still a lot of crime on this Island too BUT most other islands have far more and worse crime. -- Patrik Kinander
PK
Patrik Kinander
Fri, Aug 17, 2007 1:06 PM

Just had to send you this:

From  State Department's assessment of travel safety in Venezuela:

"Violent crime in Venezuela has spiked in recent months.  The country
has the highest per-capita murder rate in the world.  Armed robberies
take place in broad daylight . . . including areas generally presumed
safe and frequented by tourists.  Well armed criminal gangs operate
with impunity, often setting up fake police checkpoints.  "
............
"Many criminals are armed with guns or knives and will use force.
Jewelry attracts the attention of thieves.  Travelers are advised to
leave jewelry items, especially expensive-looking wristwatches, at
home.  Gangs of thieves will often surround their victims and use a
chokehold to disable them, even in crowded market areas where there is
little or no police presence. "
....................
"The growing number of incidents of piracy off the coast of Venezuela
are of increasing concern.  Some of these incidents have been
especially violent, including the severe beating of a U.S. citizen in
2002, the fatal shooting of an Italian citizen in January 2004, and a
machete attack on a U.S. citizen in 2005.  U.S. citizen yachters
should exercise a heightened level of caution in Venezuelan waters.
The U.S. Coast Guard's flyer outlining safety precautions for yachters
in around Venezuela can be found on the Embassy's web site."

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html

Just had to send you this: >From State Department's assessment of travel safety in Venezuela: "Violent crime in Venezuela has spiked in recent months. The country has the highest per-capita murder rate in the world. Armed robberies take place in broad daylight . . . including areas generally presumed safe and frequented by tourists. Well armed criminal gangs operate with impunity, often setting up fake police checkpoints. " ............ "Many criminals are armed with guns or knives and will use force. Jewelry attracts the attention of thieves. Travelers are advised to leave jewelry items, especially expensive-looking wristwatches, at home. Gangs of thieves will often surround their victims and use a chokehold to disable them, even in crowded market areas where there is little or no police presence. " .................... "The growing number of incidents of piracy off the coast of Venezuela are of increasing concern. Some of these incidents have been especially violent, including the severe beating of a U.S. citizen in 2002, the fatal shooting of an Italian citizen in January 2004, and a machete attack on a U.S. citizen in 2005. U.S. citizen yachters should exercise a heightened level of caution in Venezuelan waters. The U.S. Coast Guard's flyer outlining safety precautions for yachters in around Venezuela can be found on the Embassy's web site." http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html
RR
Ron Rogers
Fri, Aug 17, 2007 4:12 PM

"can be found on the Embassy's web site." But, not by me.  Ron Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrik Kinander" patrik.kinander@navicomnetwork.com

| The U.S. Coast Guard's flyer outlining safety precautions for yachters
| in around Venezuela can be found on the Embassy's web site."
|
| http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html

"can be found on the Embassy's web site." But, not by me. Ron Rogers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrik Kinander" <patrik.kinander@navicomnetwork.com> | The U.S. Coast Guard's flyer outlining safety precautions for yachters | in around Venezuela can be found on the Embassy's web site." | | http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html
BP
B. P. Hawkins
Fri, Aug 17, 2007 6:58 PM

I could not find it either.  The web site is a joke with lots of broken
links.  What would you expect from State run by Condoleezza.

Ben Hawkins
Portland, Maine

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Subject: Re: [PUP] Thefts in St. Martin

"can be found on the Embassy's web site." But, not by me.  Ron Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrik Kinander" patrik.kinander@navicomnetwork.com

| The U.S. Coast Guard's flyer outlining safety precautions for yachters
| in around Venezuela can be found on the Embassy's web site."
|
| http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html


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I could not find it either. The web site is a joke with lots of broken links. What would you expect from State run by Condoleezza. Ben Hawkins Portland, Maine -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:12 PM To: Passagemaking Under Power List Subject: Re: [PUP] Thefts in St. Martin "can be found on the Embassy's web site." But, not by me. Ron Rogers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrik Kinander" <patrik.kinander@navicomnetwork.com> | The U.S. Coast Guard's flyer outlining safety precautions for yachters | in around Venezuela can be found on the Embassy's web site." | | http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.
PK
Patrik Kinander
Fri, Aug 17, 2007 7:20 PM

Was not ment to be sent to the list :) Sorry

On 8/17/07, Ron Rogers rcrogers6@kennett.net wrote:

"can be found on the Embassy's web site." But, not by me.  Ron Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrik Kinander" patrik.kinander@navicomnetwork.com

| The U.S. Coast Guard's flyer outlining safety precautions for yachters
| in around Venezuela can be found on the Embassy's web site."
|
| http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html


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Was not ment to be sent to the list :) Sorry On 8/17/07, Ron Rogers <rcrogers6@kennett.net> wrote: > "can be found on the Embassy's web site." But, not by me. Ron Rogers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrik Kinander" <patrik.kinander@navicomnetwork.com> > > | The U.S. Coast Guard's flyer outlining safety precautions for yachters > | in around Venezuela can be found on the Embassy's web site." > | > | http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. > > -- Patrik Kinander patrik.kinander@navicomnetwork.com Phone: +1 305 432 2167 Fax: +1 602 865 1755 Dutch Cell: +599 580 14 42 French Cell: +590 690 22 59 96 NavicomNetwork (Doozier) BP4081 97064 SAINT MARTIN Cedex French West Indies This e-mail may contain information which is confidential, legally privileged and/or copyright protected. This e-mail is intended for the addressee only. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer