On 03/12/2017 12:56 AM, Jigyasa Grover wrote: > Glad to know that this community is working to bring in diversity from all > sphere and strives for inclusion. A little step of either using she/he or a > gender neutral term would encompass all :) Yes! Thank you for this suggestion. Regards, -Martin

Hi David, On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 11:06 AM, David Mason <dmason@ryerson.ca> wrote: > With respect, it is not about obsessing on words. > > Male privilege is so ingrained - particularly in the tech world - that we > honestly, and with good intent, think that words like "guy" are neutral. > > In the interest of establishing some empathy, think for a moment how you > would feel if people normally referred to you as "gal" or "girl" or a group > to which you belonged as "gals". If you heard that someone was looking to > hire a gal, would you think it included you? (The plural form *is* > sometimes considered gender-neutral, but personally I have to work to think > of it that way; and the singular clearly refers to a male.) > > Almost everyone I know in the tech field, including *everyone* I've met in > the ESUG community considers ours to be a gender neutral discipline, and > bemoans the fact that things aren't more balanced. Unfortunately, that > doesn't always translate to inclusivity (including language). > > Unfortunately, English doesn't have a single sylable, gender neutral, noun > for groups of individuals. French has "gens", but the best that English can > do is "people". For individuals, it's worse as neither language does better > than "person" (which interestingly is feminine in French - "la personne"). > There are slang terms. I like "bods", short for bodies. There's also "folks". Marge Piercy used "per", from "person", in one of her sci-fi novels (A Girl in Time?). Then there's the gang, the group, etc. > I'm sure many consider this discussion to be irrelevant and off-topic and > "just want to get back to programming". Me too, but I want lots of female > colleagues, and colleagues from other races, countries, and backgrounds, so > I'm willing to make all the efforts I can to make that happen - including > language, grad-student supervision, undergrad mentoring, co-authoring > papers, and funding. > > Thanks, ../Dave > > On 12 March 2017 at 04:56, Jigyasa Grover <grover.jigyasa1@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Stephane, Serge and everyone else >> >> Glad to know that this community is working to bring in diversity from all >> sphere and strives for inclusion. A little step of either using she/he or >> a >> gender neutral term would encompass all :) >> >> As Serge rightly pointed, we are working to associate Pharo Consortium as >> an >> organisation with various Open Source Programs worldwide like Google >> Summer >> of Code <https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/> , GNOME Outreachy >> <https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/> and many others. >> >> Let's keep this spirit alive ! >> >> Cheers. >> Jigyasa Grover >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Thales-i >> s-looking-for-a-UI-expert-in-Smalltalk-and-Pharo-tp4937527p4938275.html >> Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list@lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot