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michaelg@presys.com

Mon, Mar 27, 2000 4:34 AM

OK Guys...

Cheyenne pepper? Even Cayenne Pepper? Desinex? Teflon Spray?

Who's pulling who's leg here? I'm getting ready to haul out and invest at
least $1200.00 in a bottom job, I don't want to be laughed out of the
boatyard.

I admit to being a bit of a newby here, I have only been boating since the
mid sixties. Never have I heard of any of this. Well, maybe a little
about the pepper. Give me the straight dope here.

Does this stuff really work or am I getting my leg lengthened?

Greybeard
40' Marine Trader "Sea Dreamer"
Portland Oregon.

OK Guys... Cheyenne pepper? Even Cayenne Pepper? Desinex? Teflon Spray? Who's pulling who's leg here? I'm getting ready to haul out and invest at least $1200.00 in a bottom job, I don't want to be laughed out of the boatyard. I admit to being a bit of a newby here, I have only been boating since the mid sixties. Never have I heard of any of this. Well, maybe a little about the pepper. Give me the straight dope here. Does this stuff really work or am I getting my leg lengthened? Greybeard 40' Marine Trader "Sea Dreamer" Portland Oregon.

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scaramouche@tvo.org

Mon, Mar 27, 2000 5:19 AM

michaelg@presys.com writes:

Cheyenne pepper? Even Cayenne Pepper? Desinex? Teflon Spray?

Don't know about the rest, but have used PENATEN Creme (German
equivalent to Desinex) for years on shaft, prop and the area where
the cradle pads were. Little beasties won't even think about
attaching themselves.....

michaelg@presys.com writes: >Cheyenne pepper? Even Cayenne Pepper? Desinex? Teflon Spray? Don't know about the rest, but have used PENATEN Creme (German equivalent to Desinex) for years on shaft, prop and the area where the cradle pads were. Little beasties won't even think about attaching themselves.....

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nunas@pacific.net.sg

Mon, Mar 27, 2000 10:51 AM

Hi,
I sure hope this is not a joke! The boat is on the hard waiting to have her
bottom treated. The admiral is coming back to Singapore from Canada with
two jars of Desitin ointment to put on the props and shafts. If it does not
work, it'll go hard on y'all!

Maurice

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Cheyenne pepper? Even Cayenne Pepper? Desinex? Teflon Spray?

Who's pulling who's leg here? I'm getting ready to haul out and invest at
least $1200.00 in a bottom job, I don't want to be laughed out of the
boatyard.

I admit to being a bit of a newby here, I have only been boating since the
mid sixties. Never have I heard of any of this. Well, maybe a little
about the pepper. Give me the straight dope here.

Does this stuff really work or am I getting my leg lengthened?

Hi, I sure hope this is not a joke! The boat is on the hard waiting to have her bottom treated. The admiral is coming back to Singapore from Canada with two jars of Desitin ointment to put on the props and shafts. If it does not work, it'll go hard on y'all! Maurice -----Original Message (snipped)----- Cheyenne pepper? Even Cayenne Pepper? Desinex? Teflon Spray? Who's pulling who's leg here? I'm getting ready to haul out and invest at least $1200.00 in a bottom job, I don't want to be laughed out of the boatyard. I admit to being a bit of a newby here, I have only been boating since the mid sixties. Never have I heard of any of this. Well, maybe a little about the pepper. Give me the straight dope here. Does this stuff really work or am I getting my leg lengthened?

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scaramouche@tvo.org

Mon, Mar 27, 2000 12:46 PM

nunas@pacific.net.sg writes:

The admiral is coming back to Singapore from Canada with
two jars of Desitin ointment to put on the props and shafts. If it
does not

If it's not too late, get Penaten Creme instead of Desitin. It's even
more sticky. Also I've been told that the creme doesn't last too long
in very warm waters but works well in colder, more northerly
locations. My 2 worth - George in Lake Ontario.

nunas@pacific.net.sg writes: >The admiral is coming back to Singapore from Canada with >two jars of Desitin ointment to put on the props and shafts. If it >does not If it's not too late, get Penaten Creme instead of Desitin. It's even more sticky. Also I've been told that the creme doesn't last too long in very warm waters but works well in colder, more northerly locations. My 2 worth - George in Lake Ontario.

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nunas@pacific.net.sg

Mon, Mar 27, 2000 2:54 PM

Doesn't ...work...in...warm...water...hmmm...the admiral will not be
pleased...I think I'll start thinkin' up excuses 'bout now guys.
Well...gonn'a try it anyway...can't hurt.

M

-----Original Message (snipped)-----

If it's not too late, get Penaten Creme instead of Desitin. It's even
more sticky. Also I've been told that the creme doesn't last too long
in very warm waters but works well in colder, more northerly
locations. My 2 worth - George in Lake Ontario.

Doesn't ...work...in...warm...water...hmmm...the admiral will not be pleased...I think I'll start thinkin' up excuses 'bout now guys. Well...gonn'a try it anyway...can't hurt. M -----Original Message (snipped)----- If it's not too late, get Penaten Creme instead of Desitin. It's even more sticky. Also I've been told that the creme doesn't last too long in very warm waters but works well in colder, more northerly locations. My 2 worth - George in Lake Ontario.

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mike@mikeandmonica.com

Mon, Mar 27, 2000 3:05 PM

I'm considering a Panda generator for a secondary or night-time generator
mostly because people have said that they are very quiet.

Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Seattle/Anacortes/Vancouver BC
area who has a Panda that they could show me?

Does anyone have suggestions for alternative generators? I'm most likely
looking for something in the 10-12kw range.

Mike Harrington
76' Northern Marine "Indefensible"
Anacortes, WA

I'm considering a Panda generator for a secondary or night-time generator mostly because people have said that they are very quiet. Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Seattle/Anacortes/Vancouver BC area who has a Panda that they could show me? Does anyone have suggestions for alternative generators? I'm most likely looking for something in the 10-12kw range. Mike Harrington 76' Northern Marine "Indefensible" Anacortes, WA

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scaramouche@tvo.org

Mon, Mar 27, 2000 3:21 PM

nunas@pacific.net.sg writes:

Doesn't ...work...in...warm...water

Hey, I said doesn't last as long in warm water as in cold water - and
I said this is hear-say. After all I live in COLD water and my
experience with Penaten Creme has been good. - George

nunas@pacific.net.sg writes: >Doesn't ...work...in...warm...water Hey, I said doesn't last as long in warm water as in cold water - and I said this is hear-say. After all I live in COLD water and my experience with Penaten Creme has been good. - George

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novacom@worldnet.att.net

Mon, Mar 27, 2000 3:30 PM

Mike Harrington wrote:

I'm considering a Panda generator for a secondary or night-time generator
mostly because people have said that they are very quiet.

Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Seattle/Anacortes/Vancouver BC
area who has a Panda that they could show me?

Does anyone have suggestions for alternative generators? I'm most likely
looking for something in the 10-12kw range.

Mike Harrington
76' Northern Marine "Indefensible"
Anacortes, WA

Westerbeke has announced a new 4.5 kW model that has quiet characteristics the
same as the Panda -- a water-cooled (electric side) generator. If they have a
bigger model coming, you might try for competitive pricing.

One Panda dealer on the East Coast has a van with gensets and loads mounted on
the back so you can see and hear it at marinas and boat shows. I found the Panda
very quiet in a demo, but very pricey.

--
Regards --- Don Dement
on Merrymar -- DeFever 48 Trawler in Annapolis

Mike Harrington wrote: > I'm considering a Panda generator for a secondary or night-time generator > mostly because people have said that they are very quiet. > > Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Seattle/Anacortes/Vancouver BC > area who has a Panda that they could show me? > > Does anyone have suggestions for alternative generators? I'm most likely > looking for something in the 10-12kw range. > > Mike Harrington > 76' Northern Marine "Indefensible" > Anacortes, WA Westerbeke has announced a new 4.5 kW model that has quiet characteristics the same as the Panda -- a water-cooled (electric side) generator. If they have a bigger model coming, you might try for competitive pricing. One Panda dealer on the East Coast has a van with gensets and loads mounted on the back so you can see and hear it at marinas and boat shows. I found the Panda very quiet in a demo, but very pricey. -- Regards --- Don Dement on Merrymar -- DeFever 48 Trawler in Annapolis

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nunas@pacific.net.sg

Mon, Mar 27, 2000 11:42 PM

I don't have one I can show you, but my friend has one on his sailboat.
I've worked on it some and been with him while it was running and I have an
opinion.

First, they are very small for their capacity. Second, they are beautifully
made, like a Swiss watch. Third, they are relatively expensive and so are
the parts. Fourth, they do not last as long as bigger, heavier,
slower-speed generators. And, finally, I do not find them all that much
more quiet. They do come with a nice sound shield that makes them quieter
but you can get or fabricate an equally good sound shield for any generator.
Because they turn at twice the speed of most other generators, they sound
different, but not quiet.

I have another friend with an Onan generator, also well shielded and it is
just as quiet as the Panda, maybe quieter. I believe a lot has to do with
how well isolated the mounting system is, not just for the generator, but
for the sound cover, if any, and the attached hoses, wires, et cetera.

I have a Westerbeke 20 kW generator that I have had a love/hate relationship
with. It is not quiet and it never will be. Mostly, this is due to the way
it was installed, I think. There was room for a 16 kW max and the original
owner of my boat put in this huge one to be able to run everything at one
time, including all four air conditioners, the dishwasher, clothes washer
and water maker ...and....and...

Just my opinion.

Maurice
AKAMA, KK48 Whaleback
Singapore

-----Original Message (snipped)-----
I'm considering a Panda generator for a secondary or night-time generator
mostly because people have said that they are very quiet. Is there anyone on
the list that lives in the Seattle/Anacortes/Vancouver BC area who has a
Panda that they could show me? Does anyone have suggestions for alternative
generators? I'm most likely looking for something in the 10-12kw range.

I don't have one I can show you, but my friend has one on his sailboat. I've worked on it some and been with him while it was running and I have an opinion. First, they are very small for their capacity. Second, they are beautifully made, like a Swiss watch. Third, they are relatively expensive and so are the parts. Fourth, they do not last as long as bigger, heavier, slower-speed generators. And, finally, I do not find them all that much more quiet. They do come with a nice sound shield that makes them quieter but you can get or fabricate an equally good sound shield for any generator. Because they turn at twice the speed of most other generators, they sound different, but not quiet. I have another friend with an Onan generator, also well shielded and it is just as quiet as the Panda, maybe quieter. I believe a lot has to do with how well isolated the mounting system is, not just for the generator, but for the sound cover, if any, and the attached hoses, wires, et cetera. I have a Westerbeke 20 kW generator that I have had a love/hate relationship with. It is not quiet and it never will be. Mostly, this is due to the way it was installed, I think. There was room for a 16 kW max and the original owner of my boat put in this huge one to be able to run everything at one time, including all four air conditioners, the dishwasher, clothes washer and water maker ...and....and... Just my opinion. Maurice AKAMA, KK48 Whaleback Singapore -----Original Message (snipped)----- I'm considering a Panda generator for a secondary or night-time generator mostly because people have said that they are very quiet. Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Seattle/Anacortes/Vancouver BC area who has a Panda that they could show me? Does anyone have suggestions for alternative generators? I'm most likely looking for something in the 10-12kw range.

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