If you are going to be filing them, then you should wear a face mask - the base plating on those things (even now) is normally Cadmium. What you actually want is a MS3106A18-22SW, but it looks like that vendor only supplies connectors with the default polarization. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:48 AM, J. L. Trantham <jltran@att.net> wrote: > Forgot to mention, when you get the DMS3106A18-22S, you'll have to unscrew > the back, remove the connector insert, file out a small 'key' in the > material, and rotate the insert to achieve the desired alignment to mate > with the connector on the 5061A or the 5065A. The alignment is the same on > both but the wiring might be different. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of J. L. Trantham > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 8:36 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > > Pete, > > In the US, Galco sells a DDK product that works well. The connector and > shell are a DMS3106A18-22S. > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3106A18-22S > > You will also need a clamp and strain relief. I use a DMS3057-10A. > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3057-10A > > It is the same connector as a 5065A though you have to be careful about the > wiring. Some of the 5065A's are the same as the 5061A and others are > different. > > Hope this helps. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Pete Lancashire > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 6:51 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > What is the MS type for the power plug for a 5061A ? > > I could not find it in the PDF I have. > > -pete > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

What you have to file is the hard plastic connector block, not the shell of the connector. There are four (IIRC) possible 'rotations or positions' of the connector block/insert, labeled W, X, Y, and Z. I think the official part number for the 5061A connector is (IIRC) DMS3106A18-22SW, identifying the insert is rotated to the 'W' position. The insert has a 'ridge' of about 1/8 inch width with slots about 1/16th wide that allow the insert to fit in the shell only certain positions. However, only the 'default' position (one that doesn't work for the 5061A) has the entire 'slot' open. There is about a 1/16th wide by about 1/32 inch deep by about 1/16 inch long section that needs to be filed out to allow the insert to drop in in proper angle to accommodate the 5061A. There is a snap ring that has to be removed in order to remove the insert and has to be replaced in order to secure it in place once filing is completed. The Cannon brochure that Pete gave a link to explains it nicely, just not the need to do some filing. I suspect the need to file is unique to the DDK parts. However, for the savings, I can certainly do some filing. Joe -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Peter Bell Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:07 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector If you are going to be filing them, then you should wear a face mask - the base plating on those things (even now) is normally Cadmium. What you actually want is a MS3106A18-22SW, but it looks like that vendor only supplies connectors with the default polarization. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:48 AM, J. L. Trantham <jltran@att.net> wrote: > Forgot to mention, when you get the DMS3106A18-22S, you'll have to > unscrew the back, remove the connector insert, file out a small 'key' > in the material, and rotate the insert to achieve the desired > alignment to mate with the connector on the 5061A or the 5065A. The > alignment is the same on both but the wiring might be different. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > On Behalf Of J. L. Trantham > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 8:36 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > > Pete, > > In the US, Galco sells a DDK product that works well. The connector > and shell are a DMS3106A18-22S. > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3106A18-22S > > You will also need a clamp and strain relief. I use a DMS3057-10A. > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3057-10A > > It is the same connector as a 5065A though you have to be careful > about the wiring. Some of the 5065A's are the same as the 5061A and > others are different. > > Hope this helps. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 6:51 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > What is the MS type for the power plug for a 5061A ? > > I could not find it in the PDF I have. > > -pete > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Ah, OK - the last time I had to do any connector abuse like that the keying was a little different - there was a tab on the insert and a single keyway cut into the shell - if you wanted to change the polarization, you had to file another keyway in the shell and rotate the insert. It sounds like the connectors you are talking about make it quite a bit easier (and far less toxic). It also sounds like it might actually be an approved procedure - which it certainly wasn't with the connectors I was using :) Regards, Pete On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:54 PM, J. L. Trantham <jltran@att.net> wrote: > What you have to file is the hard plastic connector block, not the shell of > the connector. There are four (IIRC) possible 'rotations or positions' of > the connector block/insert, labeled W, X, Y, and Z. I think the official > part number for the 5061A connector is (IIRC) DMS3106A18-22SW, identifying > the insert is rotated to the 'W' position. > > The insert has a 'ridge' of about 1/8 inch width with slots about 1/16th > wide that allow the insert to fit in the shell only certain positions. > However, only the 'default' position (one that doesn't work for the 5061A) > has the entire 'slot' open. There is about a 1/16th wide by about 1/32 > inch > deep by about 1/16 inch long section that needs to be filed out to allow > the > insert to drop in in proper angle to accommodate the 5061A. > > There is a snap ring that has to be removed in order to remove the insert > and has to be replaced in order to secure it in place once filing is > completed. > > The Cannon brochure that Pete gave a link to explains it nicely, just not > the need to do some filing. I suspect the need to file is unique to the > DDK > parts. However, for the savings, I can certainly do some filing. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Peter Bell > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:07 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > > If you are going to be filing them, then you should wear a face mask - the > base plating on those things (even now) is normally Cadmium. What you > actually want is a MS3106A18-22SW, but it looks like that vendor only > supplies connectors with the default polarization. > > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:48 AM, J. L. Trantham <jltran@att.net> wrote: > > > Forgot to mention, when you get the DMS3106A18-22S, you'll have to > > unscrew the back, remove the connector insert, file out a small 'key' > > in the material, and rotate the insert to achieve the desired > > alignment to mate with the connector on the 5061A or the 5065A. The > > alignment is the same on both but the wiring might be different. > > > > Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > > On Behalf Of J. L. Trantham > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 8:36 PM > > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > > > > > Pete, > > > > In the US, Galco sells a DDK product that works well. The connector > > and shell are a DMS3106A18-22S. > > > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3106A18-22S > > > > You will also need a clamp and strain relief. I use a DMS3057-10A. > > > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3057-10A > > > > It is the same connector as a 5065A though you have to be careful > > about the wiring. Some of the 5065A's are the same as the 5061A and > > others are different. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > > On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 6:51 PM > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > > > What is the MS type for the power plug for a 5061A ? > > > > I could not find it in the PDF I have. > > > > -pete > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

I stand corrected. My 5089 definitely uses the same connector as the 5061A. However, my 5085 uses a smaller connector, a DMS3106A10SL-3S. http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3106A10SL-3S It uses a smaller clamp and strain relief, a DMS3057-4A, though I had to remove the strain relief due to the size of the cable I used to connect to 120 VAC. http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3057-4A Sorry for the misleading info, but, perhaps, there are two different connectors for the 5085, depending on age/serial number of the equipment. Joe -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. L. Trantham Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:36 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector Paul, According to the 5089 manual, the power connector is the same. Both the 5085 and 5089 call for the same HP part number for the AC power cord. Therefore, I suspect they are the same. I have a 5085 hooked up and I can make sure tomorrow if you need it. Joe -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:06 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector I hoped it helped also. I know it did for me. Will order 2 sets so I can finally have real connectors on the 5061 and 5065. I wonder if its the same for the standby power supply may need to order 3. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:35 PM, J. L. Trantham <jltran@att.net> wrote: > Pete, > > In the US, Galco sells a DDK product that works well. The connector > and shell are a DMS3106A18-22S. > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3106A18-22S > > You will also need a clamp and strain relief. I use a DMS3057-10A. > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3057-10A > > It is the same connector as a 5065A though you have to be careful > about the wiring. Some of the 5065A's are the same as the 5061A and > others are different. > > Hope this helps. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 6:51 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > What is the MS type for the power plug for a 5061A ? > > I could not find it in the PDF I have. > > -pete > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Thanks will do some checking and order the right connectors Paul. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:40 AM, J. L. Trantham <jltran@att.net> wrote: > I stand corrected. > > My 5089 definitely uses the same connector as the 5061A. > > However, my 5085 uses a smaller connector, a DMS3106A10SL-3S. > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3106A10SL-3S > > It uses a smaller clamp and strain relief, a DMS3057-4A, though I had to > remove the strain relief due to the size of the cable I used to connect to > 120 VAC. > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3057-4A > > Sorry for the misleading info, but, perhaps, there are two different > connectors for the 5085, depending on age/serial number of the equipment. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of J. L. Trantham > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:36 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > > Paul, > > According to the 5089 manual, the power connector is the same. Both the > 5085 and 5089 call for the same HP part number for the AC power cord. > Therefore, I suspect they are the same. > > I have a 5085 hooked up and I can make sure tomorrow if you need it. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of paul swed > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:06 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > > I hoped it helped also. I know it did for me. Will order 2 sets so I can > finally have real connectors on the 5061 and 5065. I wonder if its the same > for the standby power supply may need to order 3. Regards Paul WB8TSL > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:35 PM, J. L. Trantham <jltran@att.net> wrote: > > > Pete, > > > > In the US, Galco sells a DDK product that works well. The connector > > and shell are a DMS3106A18-22S. > > > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3106A18-22S > > > > You will also need a clamp and strain relief. I use a DMS3057-10A. > > > > http://www.galco.com/buy/DDK/DMS3057-10A > > > > It is the same connector as a 5065A though you have to be careful > > about the wiring. Some of the 5065A's are the same as the 5061A and > > others are different. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] > > On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 6:51 PM > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: [time-nuts] 5061A AC Power connector > > > > What is the MS type for the power plug for a 5061A ? > > > > I could not find it in the PDF I have. > > > > -pete > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >