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Using HP5071A with dead tube along with GPS

MS
Mark Sims
Thu, Dec 19, 2019 10:04 PM

I've actually done this...  Lady Heather has built in "alternate disciplining" algorithm for the Thunderbolt.  I tricked up some code to use this along with a TAPR-TICC to make a GPSDO.  The first (rather crude) hack worked pretty well.  I haven't had a chance to do it properly... yet.

The idea was to allow the 5071A to run with the CBT in standby for applications that do not require the cesium goodness.


A fun (and actually very useful) project would be to turn it into a

GPSDO

I've actually done this... Lady Heather has built in "alternate disciplining" algorithm for the Thunderbolt. I tricked up some code to use this along with a TAPR-TICC to make a GPSDO. The first (rather crude) hack worked pretty well. I haven't had a chance to do it properly... yet. The idea was to allow the 5071A to run with the CBT in standby for applications that do not require the cesium goodness. ------------- > A fun (and actually very useful) project would be to turn it into a GPSDO
TK
Taka Kamiya
Thu, Dec 19, 2019 10:56 PM

My experiment is not going well so far.  I have NOT done any tuning.  Just connected 1 pps out from GPS to 1 pps IN on 5071A.  Frequency keeps increasing, which I think is weird.  I thought it might just be unstable without proper parameters, but no.  Over last 24 hours, it kept going up.  I was about to start reading the 5071A manual.  Likely as TVB says, it will likely be needing quite a bit of refining loop parameters.  One unknown is, in this current state (fault), if OCXO is even steerable.  1 pps WAS detected and menu option did tell me so. 

I didn't know you can put 5071A in (Cs tube only) STAND-BY mode...  Mine is dead so it's in permanent stand-by.  It's initial boot sequence detects this and shuts it down. 

On a slightly different topic, my PRS10 + GPS experiment is working rather well.  I haven't done any tuning and using default for everything.  I'm going to wait about a month before doing so.  Loop constant is 1 day, so it may take quite some time to completely stabilize.

(Mr.) Taka Kamiya
KB4EMF / ex JF2DKG

On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 5:34:55 PM EST, Mark Sims <holrum@hotmail.com> wrote:  

I've actually done this...  Lady Heather has built in "alternate disciplining" algorithm for the Thunderbolt.  I tricked up some code to use this along with a TAPR-TICC to make a GPSDO.  The first (rather crude) hack worked pretty well.  I haven't had a chance to do it properly... yet.

The idea was to allow the 5071A to run with the CBT in standby for applications that do not require the cesium goodness.


A fun (and actually very useful) project would be to turn it into a

GPSDO


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My experiment is not going well so far.  I have NOT done any tuning.  Just connected 1 pps out from GPS to 1 pps IN on 5071A.  Frequency keeps increasing, which I think is weird.  I thought it might just be unstable without proper parameters, but no.  Over last 24 hours, it kept going up.  I was about to start reading the 5071A manual.  Likely as TVB says, it will likely be needing quite a bit of refining loop parameters.  One unknown is, in this current state (fault), if OCXO is even steerable.  1 pps WAS detected and menu option did tell me so.  I didn't know you can put 5071A in (Cs tube only) STAND-BY mode...  Mine is dead so it's in permanent stand-by.  It's initial boot sequence detects this and shuts it down.  On a slightly different topic, my PRS10 + GPS experiment is working rather well.  I haven't done any tuning and using default for everything.  I'm going to wait about a month before doing so.  Loop constant is 1 day, so it may take quite some time to completely stabilize. --------------------------------------- (Mr.) Taka Kamiya KB4EMF / ex JF2DKG On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 5:34:55 PM EST, Mark Sims <holrum@hotmail.com> wrote: I've actually done this...  Lady Heather has built in "alternate disciplining" algorithm for the Thunderbolt.  I tricked up some code to use this along with a TAPR-TICC to make a GPSDO.  The first (rather crude) hack worked pretty well.  I haven't had a chance to do it properly... yet. The idea was to allow the 5071A to run with the CBT in standby for applications that do not require the cesium goodness. ------------- > A fun (and actually very useful) project would be to turn it into a GPSDO _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
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Bob kb8tq
Thu, Dec 19, 2019 11:55 PM

Hi

The PPS input on the 5071 does not set the frequency of the device. To do so would “break” the
Cs ( = you use the beam to get frequency). The only thing the PPS input gets used for is to reset
the time to sync with UTC.

Bob

On Dec 19, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Taka Kamiya via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

My experiment is not going well so far.  I have NOT done any tuning.  Just connected 1 pps out from GPS to 1 pps IN on 5071A.  Frequency keeps increasing, which I think is weird.  I thought it might just be unstable without proper parameters, but no.  Over last 24 hours, it kept going up.  I was about to start reading the 5071A manual.  Likely as TVB says, it will likely be needing quite a bit of refining loop parameters.  One unknown is, in this current state (fault), if OCXO is even steerable.  1 pps WAS detected and menu option did tell me so.

I didn't know you can put 5071A in (Cs tube only) STAND-BY mode...  Mine is dead so it's in permanent stand-by.  It's initial boot sequence detects this and shuts it down.

On a slightly different topic, my PRS10 + GPS experiment is working rather well.  I haven't done any tuning and using default for everything.  I'm going to wait about a month before doing so.  Loop constant is 1 day, so it may take quite some time to completely stabilize.

(Mr.) Taka Kamiya
KB4EMF / ex JF2DKG

On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 5:34:55 PM EST, Mark Sims <holrum@hotmail.com> wrote:  

I've actually done this...  Lady Heather has built in "alternate disciplining" algorithm for the Thunderbolt.  I tricked up some code to use this along with a TAPR-TICC to make a GPSDO.  The first (rather crude) hack worked pretty well.  I haven't had a chance to do it properly... yet.

The idea was to allow the 5071A to run with the CBT in standby for applications that do not require the cesium goodness.


A fun (and actually very useful) project would be to turn it into a

GPSDO


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Hi The PPS input on the 5071 does *not* set the frequency of the device. To do so would “break” the Cs ( = you use the beam to get frequency). The *only* thing the PPS input gets used for is to reset the *time* to sync with UTC. Bob > On Dec 19, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Taka Kamiya via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > My experiment is not going well so far. I have NOT done any tuning. Just connected 1 pps out from GPS to 1 pps IN on 5071A. Frequency keeps increasing, which I think is weird. I thought it might just be unstable without proper parameters, but no. Over last 24 hours, it kept going up. I was about to start reading the 5071A manual. Likely as TVB says, it will likely be needing quite a bit of refining loop parameters. One unknown is, in this current state (fault), if OCXO is even steerable. 1 pps WAS detected and menu option did tell me so. > > I didn't know you can put 5071A in (Cs tube only) STAND-BY mode... Mine is dead so it's in permanent stand-by. It's initial boot sequence detects this and shuts it down. > > On a slightly different topic, my PRS10 + GPS experiment is working rather well. I haven't done any tuning and using default for everything. I'm going to wait about a month before doing so. Loop constant is 1 day, so it may take quite some time to completely stabilize. > --------------------------------------- > (Mr.) Taka Kamiya > KB4EMF / ex JF2DKG > > > On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 5:34:55 PM EST, Mark Sims <holrum@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I've actually done this... Lady Heather has built in "alternate disciplining" algorithm for the Thunderbolt. I tricked up some code to use this along with a TAPR-TICC to make a GPSDO. The first (rather crude) hack worked pretty well. I haven't had a chance to do it properly... yet. > > The idea was to allow the 5071A to run with the CBT in standby for applications that do not require the cesium goodness. > > ------------- > >> A fun (and actually very useful) project would be to turn it into a > GPSDO > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.