TWL: NYS boat registration
Rob asks:
<<Do states care if one has a bill of sale from Canada?? Motor vehicles
in NY,which registered my 11ft Whaler was a nightmare because so few
personnel know about boat registrations....>>
Before the NYS DMV will register a boat they demand to know if sales tax was
paid on the purchase. If not, they will assess a fee equivalent to the NYS tax
before issuing a title. Normally they don't ask for the sales receipt but if
you claim an absurdly low purchase price they have every right to do so. All
powerboats operating in NY waters, even a Grumman canoe with a 2 hp. outboard,
must be state registered. The sales receipt and certificate of origin and/or
the title is essential for resale of the boat. Registration renewal is required
every three years.
I just got mine in the mail and I see that they have added a surcharge of 25%
for "clean waters." What a sneaky way to raise taxes. But at least we have no
personal property "use tax" as in some other states.
Larry Z
Larry, re: "All powerboats operating in NY waters, even a Grumman canoe with
a 2 hp. outboard, must be state registered", does that mean even those
already paying for Federal Documentation fees?
Bob Peterson
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Subject: TWL: NYS boat registration
Rob asks:
<<Do states care if one has a bill of sale from Canada?? Motor vehicles in
NY,which registered my 11ft Whaler was a nightmare because so few personnel
know about boat registrations....>>
Before the NYS DMV will register a boat they demand to know if sales tax was
paid on the purchase. If not, they will assess a fee equivalent to the NYS
tax before issuing a title. Normally they don't ask for the sales receipt
but if you claim an absurdly low purchase price they have every right to do
so. All powerboats operating in NY waters, even a Grumman canoe with a 2 hp.
outboard, must be state registered.
Don't confuse registration with title. Documentation with the USCG provides
title evidence. Registration with any state provides that state with
fees/income. If you don't title with the USCG via documentation, you will
have to title with the state at an additional cost over and above
registration.
Good luck,
Bob Lowe
www.MV-Dreamer.com
CruisingAndMaintainingYourBoat
Larry, re: "All powerboats operating in NY waters, even a Grumman canoe with
a 2 hp. outboard, must be state registered", does that mean even those
already paying for Federal Documentation fees?
Bob Peterson
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bob,
Bob Peterson wrote:
Larry, re: "All powerboats operating in NY waters, even a Grumman canoe with
a 2 hp. outboard, must be state registered", does that mean even those
already paying for Federal Documentation fees?
Yes, and it sticks in my craw every year!
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/dmvfaqs.htm#BOATS and
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms/boats.pdf
The free dockage behind my MIL's for the beasts makes up for it though.
NJ is a bit more lenient if the boat isn't homeported there, e.g. you get 6
months of free play in local waters before you're required to register. Works OK
if you head to non-registry waters for the winter, but if your hailing port is
in NJ, you're screwed.
http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/cit_registration/v_reg_boats.html
We sold our summer place in Southampton a few years ago, and I've been putting
off changing the boats' docs to reflect our home in NJ, something I'm going to
have to break down and do this year. But then I'll have to fight with NY over
having to register the boats THERE to cover the time when they're wintering over
afloat. Basically, you have to prove a negative by convincing them that the boat
isn't used for more than 90 consecutive days in NY waters.
Yes, even if the boat is registered in an adjacent state, NY wants it's pound of
flesh if you keep the boat in "their" waters.
Royal PITA!
Regards,
James