On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:11 PM, maarten.mostert@stakepoint.com wrote: > Stéphane, > > A french law 1901 association .. Does this mean that I'll can get a tax refund from my donation ? I do not think so because for that Pharo would have to be "one national cause" like fighting cancer :) > > @+Maarten, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> > Sent: Thursday, 28 June, 2012 14:19 > To: "An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open-source Smalltalk" <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr>, pharo-consortium@lists.gforge.inria.fr, "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr>, "ESUG Mailing list" <esug-list@lists.esug.org>, "Moose-related development" <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> > Subject: [Esug-list] **IMPORTANT** MUST READ: Pharo Association and Consortium > > Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers > > This mail is really important so read it carefully. Especially the last part of the mail is important for the > immediate future: we need your support and input. Read section ***Support*** at the end of this mail. > > Context > ======= > After taking into account feedback from companies and pharo users in different occasions and > discussing with the INRIA lawyers and the team in charge of the administrative aspect of the consoritum > here is the setup we finally want for the consortium. We will have two separated entities: > - one french law 1901 association for individuals and > - one consortium for institutions (companies, research groups, laboratories, universities...) managed by INRIA > > We hope that in the long run the consortium will be fully managed by the association > but in the current bootstrap phase INRIA is a good solution. > > ============== > The Pharo Association > ============== > The goal of the association is to promote Pharo. It will have its own web site. > > Individual Memberships (managed by the Pharo Association) > ---------------------- > There are two individual memberships > - Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 40 Euros > - Golden Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 99 Euros > > You will get > a nice goody, > reduction access to conferences, > reduction for training and access to teaching material, > be part of the pharo groups on social networks, > be part of the pharoAssociation-individual-members mailing-list, > get access and registered to the pharo association web site. > > Others (managed by the Pharo Association) > ---------------------- > The association will be able to issues bills so you will be able to buy a Pharo distribution > when your organization cannot be a member, a sponsor or doing a donation to the Pharo consortium. > > End of Pharo Association Description > > > > =========================== > The Pharo Consortium (managed by INRIA) > =========================== > The goal of the consortium is to structure and build an umbrella to foster business around Pharo and to promote Pharo. > > A company, user group, research group, team or institution can be a consortium member, not individual member. > > There are three levels of fees and corresponding benefits. You decide your degree of support. > The annual fees are > - Bronze 1000 Euros > - Silver 2000 Euros > - Gold 4000 Euros > > Consortium members main advantages are > ---------------------------------------- > Non individual members of the consortium get the following advantages: > > - privileged access to the core development team via a specific mailing-list > pharo-core-team-for-members@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > - influence priorities of the next development. The member will be able to propose > agenda points and items for the executive team. They will be requested one month in > advance before the committee meeting. > > - get access to privileged core engineer time (to address pharo core problems) > > - Bronze member gets > one day of engineering time > + is automatically a diamond sponsor. > > - Silver > + two days of engineering time > + one job description for job dashboard > + is automatically a diamond sponsor.. > > - Gold four > + 4 days of engineering time > + multiple job description for job dashboard > + is automatically a diamond sponsor. > > - Training special prices and possibility to become pharo trainer > - Pharo consortium member can also ask and pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. > - Member can offer to their client access to the possibility to pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. > - The core team can provide contact with experts for certain areas of development. > > Pharo Consortium Gouvernance: steering committee > ---------------------------------------- > The consortium will be managed as follows: There will be a steering committee and an Executive Team. > > * A steering committee is composed of one representative of each member (except individuals). > > * The chairman of this committee will be Inria > > * Steering Committee Role : > - The Steering Committee follows the execution of the PHARO R&D Team > - It validates and gives input about the task list of the Executive Team. > - It can propose members of the executive team. > - It prepares, organizes conferences, seminars or other animations to promote PHARO and have new members > - It revises the annual fee > * Decisions taking: after consultation and collect of representative member points of views, Inria takes the final decision. > > * The steering committee will communicate via a private mailing-list. It may meet physical once a year. > > * An agenda to reach conclusion will be established by Inria on proposals of the members (the members will be queried a month in advance). > > Technical Executive Committee (akaR&D task) > ---------------------------------------- > * The Executive Team is composed of members proposed by the steering board and RMOD Team > * Its roles is to > * Study, analyze and validate external contributions for PHARO > * Report to the steering committee > * Present a task list to the steering committee. > * Propose, schedule and implement tasks in conformance with the tasks list. > * Coordinate the release Pharo and its VMs > > Pharo consortium Sponsoring > --------------------------- > Orthogonally to memberships, an entity can be a sponsor of the consortium without being a pharo consortium member. > Pharo consortium are de factor platinium sponsor. Sponsors will get their logos name exposed to the consortium web site. > There are two kinds of sponsors: > - normal 500 Euros > - diamond 1000 Euros > > Job board > --------- > Non consortium member companies will be able to pay a fee (1000 Euros) to post job offers to the job board. > > End of Pharo Consortium Description > > > ===================== > *** Support and Answer needed*** > ===================== > > To be able to pay an engineer by the consortium, INRIA needs to make projection, build budget, pay attention to visa > and other important administrative tasks. To deal with the risk that the consortium may not collect enough to pay a full salary > we are considering to ask INRIA to help us financially. To do so we have to give some concrete figures to > INRIA and motivate our request. In addition, our team (RMOD) on its own budget will try to compensate by allocating extra resources > However, this will be only a one shot. In addition, some of our team members have been approached by google to work on chrome and dart > Virtual Machines. So if we really get a future we should build it now. > > Many of you told us that they want to support the consortium, now we need to know what would be amount of membership, sponsoring > you could give. So please read carefully this mail and send us a mail at stephane.ducasse@inria.fr with the same subject than this one. > We will collect the information and build a case to present to INRIA. > Thanks in advance for Pharo and for the future that we are building together. > > The RMOD team and the Pharo board > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

What, promoting Smalltalk isn't like that? ;) On Jul 3, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:11 PM, maarten.mostert@stakepoint.com wrote: > >> Stéphane, >> >> A french law 1901 association .. Does this mean that I'll can get a tax refund from my donation ? > > I do not think so because for that Pharo would have to be "one national cause" like fighting cancer :) > >> >> @+Maarten, >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> >> Sent: Thursday, 28 June, 2012 14:19 >> To: "An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open-source Smalltalk" <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr>, pharo-consortium@lists.gforge.inria.fr, "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr>, "ESUG Mailing list" <esug-list@lists.esug.org>, "Moose-related development" <moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> Subject: [Esug-list] **IMPORTANT** MUST READ: Pharo Association and Consortium >> >> Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers >> >> This mail is really important so read it carefully. Especially the last part of the mail is important for the >> immediate future: we need your support and input. Read section ***Support*** at the end of this mail. >> >> Context >> ======= >> After taking into account feedback from companies and pharo users in different occasions and >> discussing with the INRIA lawyers and the team in charge of the administrative aspect of the consoritum >> here is the setup we finally want for the consortium. We will have two separated entities: >> - one french law 1901 association for individuals and >> - one consortium for institutions (companies, research groups, laboratories, universities...) managed by INRIA >> >> We hope that in the long run the consortium will be fully managed by the association >> but in the current bootstrap phase INRIA is a good solution. >> >> ============== >> The Pharo Association >> ============== >> The goal of the association is to promote Pharo. It will have its own web site. >> >> Individual Memberships (managed by the Pharo Association) >> ---------------------- >> There are two individual memberships >> - Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 40 Euros >> - Golden Individual Pharo Association Member: Yearly fee 99 Euros >> >> You will get >> a nice goody, >> reduction access to conferences, >> reduction for training and access to teaching material, >> be part of the pharo groups on social networks, >> be part of the pharoAssociation-individual-members mailing-list, >> get access and registered to the pharo association web site. >> >> Others (managed by the Pharo Association) >> ---------------------- >> The association will be able to issues bills so you will be able to buy a Pharo distribution >> when your organization cannot be a member, a sponsor or doing a donation to the Pharo consortium. >> >> End of Pharo Association Description >> >> >> >> =========================== >> The Pharo Consortium (managed by INRIA) >> =========================== >> The goal of the consortium is to structure and build an umbrella to foster business around Pharo and to promote Pharo. >> >> A company, user group, research group, team or institution can be a consortium member, not individual member. >> >> There are three levels of fees and corresponding benefits. You decide your degree of support. >> The annual fees are >> - Bronze 1000 Euros >> - Silver 2000 Euros >> - Gold 4000 Euros >> >> Consortium members main advantages are >> ---------------------------------------- >> Non individual members of the consortium get the following advantages: >> >> - privileged access to the core development team via a specific mailing-list >> pharo-core-team-for-members@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> - influence priorities of the next development. The member will be able to propose >> agenda points and items for the executive team. They will be requested one month in >> advance before the committee meeting. >> >> - get access to privileged core engineer time (to address pharo core problems) >> >> - Bronze member gets >> one day of engineering time >> + is automatically a diamond sponsor. >> >> - Silver >> + two days of engineering time >> + one job description for job dashboard >> + is automatically a diamond sponsor.. >> >> - Gold four >> + 4 days of engineering time >> + multiple job description for job dashboard >> + is automatically a diamond sponsor. >> >> - Training special prices and possibility to become pharo trainer >> - Pharo consortium member can also ask and pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. >> - Member can offer to their client access to the possibility to pay for extra support days at INRIA engineer prices (around 600 Euros) per day. >> - The core team can provide contact with experts for certain areas of development. >> >> Pharo Consortium Gouvernance: steering committee >> ---------------------------------------- >> The consortium will be managed as follows: There will be a steering committee and an Executive Team. >> >> * A steering committee is composed of one representative of each member (except individuals). >> >> * The chairman of this committee will be Inria >> >> * Steering Committee Role : >> - The Steering Committee follows the execution of the PHARO R&D Team >> - It validates and gives input about the task list of the Executive Team. >> - It can propose members of the executive team. >> - It prepares, organizes conferences, seminars or other animations to promote PHARO and have new members >> - It revises the annual fee >> * Decisions taking: after consultation and collect of representative member points of views, Inria takes the final decision. >> >> * The steering committee will communicate via a private mailing-list. It may meet physical once a year. >> >> * An agenda to reach conclusion will be established by Inria on proposals of the members (the members will be queried a month in advance). >> >> Technical Executive Committee (akaR&D task) >> ---------------------------------------- >> * The Executive Team is composed of members proposed by the steering board and RMOD Team >> * Its roles is to >> * Study, analyze and validate external contributions for PHARO >> * Report to the steering committee >> * Present a task list to the steering committee. >> * Propose, schedule and implement tasks in conformance with the tasks list. >> * Coordinate the release Pharo and its VMs >> >> Pharo consortium Sponsoring >> --------------------------- >> Orthogonally to memberships, an entity can be a sponsor of the consortium without being a pharo consortium member. >> Pharo consortium are de factor platinium sponsor. Sponsors will get their logos name exposed to the consortium web site. >> There are two kinds of sponsors: >> - normal 500 Euros >> - diamond 1000 Euros >> >> Job board >> --------- >> Non consortium member companies will be able to pay a fee (1000 Euros) to post job offers to the job board. >> >> End of Pharo Consortium Description >> >> >> ===================== >> *** Support and Answer needed*** >> ===================== >> >> To be able to pay an engineer by the consortium, INRIA needs to make projection, build budget, pay attention to visa >> and other important administrative tasks. To deal with the risk that the consortium may not collect enough to pay a full salary >> we are considering to ask INRIA to help us financially. To do so we have to give some concrete figures to >> INRIA and motivate our request. In addition, our team (RMOD) on its own budget will try to compensate by allocating extra resources >> However, this will be only a one shot. In addition, some of our team members have been approached by google to work on chrome and dart >> Virtual Machines. So if we really get a future we should build it now. >> >> Many of you told us that they want to support the consortium, now we need to know what would be amount of membership, sponsoring >> you could give. So please read carefully this mail and send us a mail at stephane.ducasse@inria.fr with the same subject than this one. >> We will collect the information and build a case to present to INRIA. >> Thanks in advance for Pharo and for the future that we are building together. >> >> The RMOD team and the Pharo board >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list@lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org James Robertson http://www.jarober.com jarober@gmail.com

On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:24 AM, James Robertson wrote: > What, promoting Smalltalk isn't like that? Kind of but not quite :)