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FTS1050 out of range

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AC0XU (Jim)
Thu, Feb 23, 2023 1:29 PM

I have an FTS1050A/015 that is slightly out of range (frequency too high by 0.3 Hz with front panel adjustment set to 00000).  Does this indicate that something is wrong with the control circuitry or the oscillator, or is there an internal gross adjustment that I can use to reset the range?

Thanks!

I have an FTS1050A/015 that is slightly out of range (frequency too high by 0.3 Hz with front panel adjustment set to 00000). Does this indicate that something is wrong with the control circuitry or the oscillator, or is there an internal gross adjustment that I can use to reset the range? Thanks!
BC
Bob Camp
Thu, Feb 23, 2023 10:47 PM

Hi

At 0.3 Hz, you are off by 3x10^-8. That’s not very far. Best
guess is that the unit is doing fine. It simply has aged further
than the adjustment range. It is fairly common to design an
OCXO with a range that is adequate for some number of
years. They do indeed “age out”.

No idea if there is a manual adjust internal to the unit.

Bob

On Feb 23, 2023, at 8:29 AM, AC0XU (Jim) via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

I have an FTS1050A/015 that is slightly out of range (frequency too high by 0.3 Hz with front panel adjustment set to 00000).  Does this indicate that something is wrong with the control circuitry or the oscillator, or is there an internal gross adjustment that I can use to reset the range?

Thanks!


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Hi At 0.3 Hz, you are off by 3x10^-8. That’s not very far. Best guess is that the unit is doing fine. It simply has aged further than the adjustment range. It is fairly common to design an OCXO with a range that is adequate for some number of years. They do indeed “age out”. No idea if there is a manual adjust internal to the unit. Bob > On Feb 23, 2023, at 8:29 AM, AC0XU (Jim) via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > I have an FTS1050A/015 that is slightly out of range (frequency too high by 0.3 Hz with front panel adjustment set to 00000). Does this indicate that something is wrong with the control circuitry or the oscillator, or is there an internal gross adjustment that I can use to reset the range? > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
TK
Tom Knox
Fri, Feb 24, 2023 12:10 AM

Hi
In the 1050A I looked at recently the 1000B trim pot was not installed. Most likely the board is simply unpopulated and the adjustment is done with the front panel decades. Not sure if the 1050A decade has the same range as the 1000B pot?
Cheers;
Tom Knox
SR Test and Measurement Engineer
Phoenix Research
4870 Meredith Way Apt 102
Boulder, Co 80303
Formerly of:
357 Fox Lane
Superior Co 80027
303-554-0307
actast@hotmail.com

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/marshall-fire/superior-man-moving-forward-after-losing-dream-research-lab-during-marshall-fire

"Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both MLK and Albert Einstein


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Subject: [time-nuts] Re: FTS1050 out of range

Hi

At 0.3 Hz, you are off by 3x10^-8. That’s not very far. Best
guess is that the unit is doing fine. It simply has aged further
than the adjustment range. It is fairly common to design an
OCXO with a range that is adequate for some number of
years. They do indeed “age out”.

No idea if there is a manual adjust internal to the unit.

Bob

On Feb 23, 2023, at 8:29 AM, AC0XU (Jim) via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

I have an FTS1050A/015 that is slightly out of range (frequency too high by 0.3 Hz with front panel adjustment set to 00000).  Does this indicate that something is wrong with the control circuitry or the oscillator, or is there an internal gross adjustment that I can use to reset the range?

Thanks!


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Hi In the 1050A I looked at recently the 1000B trim pot was not installed. Most likely the board is simply unpopulated and the adjustment is done with the front panel decades. Not sure if the 1050A decade has the same range as the 1000B pot? Cheers; Tom Knox SR Test and Measurement Engineer Phoenix Research 4870 Meredith Way Apt 102 Boulder, Co 80303 Formerly of: 357 Fox Lane Superior Co 80027 303-554-0307 actast@hotmail.com https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/marshall-fire/superior-man-moving-forward-after-losing-dream-research-lab-during-marshall-fire "Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both MLK and Albert Einstein ________________________________ From: Bob Camp via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 3:47 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Cc: AC0XU (Jim) <James.Schatzman@ac0xu.com>; Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> Subject: [time-nuts] Re: FTS1050 out of range Hi At 0.3 Hz, you are off by 3x10^-8. That’s not very far. Best guess is that the unit is doing fine. It simply has aged further than the adjustment range. It is fairly common to design an OCXO with a range that is adequate for some number of years. They do indeed “age out”. No idea if there is a manual adjust internal to the unit. Bob > On Feb 23, 2023, at 8:29 AM, AC0XU (Jim) via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > I have an FTS1050A/015 that is slightly out of range (frequency too high by 0.3 Hz with front panel adjustment set to 00000). Does this indicate that something is wrong with the control circuitry or the oscillator, or is there an internal gross adjustment that I can use to reset the range? > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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JC
Fri, Feb 24, 2023 12:31 AM

On the off chance that there is a problem with the switch assembly
it might be worth trying to adjust with external control. The manual
specifies a range of 1 to 10 VDC. I've never tried it on my 1150, but
I'd assume that it takes a pretty well regulated DC supply. And, of
course, a lot of patience. Mine has never settled down, which is why
I got it for a song. The GSA FAA sale description stated so, but I
thought maybe it might be something simple. That was 40 years ago.
They were right!

John K0GCJ

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 6:14 PM Tom Knox via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

Hi
In the 1050A I looked at recently the 1000B trim pot was not installed.
Most likely the board is simply unpopulated and the adjustment is done with
the front panel decades. Not sure if the 1050A decade has the same range as
the 1000B pot?
Cheers;
Tom Knox
SR Test and Measurement Engineer
Phoenix Research
4870 Meredith Way Apt 102
Boulder, Co 80303
Formerly of:
357 Fox Lane
Superior Co 80027
303-554-0307
actast@hotmail.com

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/marshall-fire/superior-man-moving-forward-after-losing-dream-research-lab-during-marshall-fire

"Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both
MLK and Albert Einstein


From: Bob Camp via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 3:47 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com>
Cc: AC0XU (Jim) James.Schatzman@ac0xu.com; Bob Camp kb8tq@n1k.org
Subject: [time-nuts] Re: FTS1050 out of range

Hi

At 0.3 Hz, you are off by 3x10^-8. That’s not very far. Best
guess is that the unit is doing fine. It simply has aged further
than the adjustment range. It is fairly common to design an
OCXO with a range that is adequate for some number of
years. They do indeed “age out”.

No idea if there is a manual adjust internal to the unit.

Bob

On Feb 23, 2023, at 8:29 AM, AC0XU (Jim) via time-nuts <

I have an FTS1050A/015 that is slightly out of range (frequency too high

by 0.3 Hz with front panel adjustment set to 00000).  Does this indicate
that something is wrong with the control circuitry or the oscillator, or is
there an internal gross adjustment that I can use to reset the range?

Thanks!


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On the off chance that there is a problem with the switch assembly it might be worth trying to adjust with external control. The manual specifies a range of 1 to 10 VDC. I've never tried it on my 1150, but I'd assume that it takes a pretty well regulated DC supply. And, of course, a lot of patience. Mine has never settled down, which is why I got it for a song. The GSA FAA sale description stated so, but I thought maybe it might be something simple. That was 40 years ago. They were right! John K0GCJ On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 6:14 PM Tom Knox via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Hi > In the 1050A I looked at recently the 1000B trim pot was not installed. > Most likely the board is simply unpopulated and the adjustment is done with > the front panel decades. Not sure if the 1050A decade has the same range as > the 1000B pot? > Cheers; > Tom Knox > SR Test and Measurement Engineer > Phoenix Research > 4870 Meredith Way Apt 102 > Boulder, Co 80303 > Formerly of: > 357 Fox Lane > Superior Co 80027 > 303-554-0307 > actast@hotmail.com > > > https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/marshall-fire/superior-man-moving-forward-after-losing-dream-research-lab-during-marshall-fire > > "Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both > MLK and Albert Einstein > ________________________________ > From: Bob Camp via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 3:47 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Cc: AC0XU (Jim) <James.Schatzman@ac0xu.com>; Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: FTS1050 out of range > > Hi > > At 0.3 Hz, you are off by 3x10^-8. That’s not very far. Best > guess is that the unit is doing fine. It simply has aged further > than the adjustment range. It is fairly common to design an > OCXO with a range that is adequate for some number of > years. They do indeed “age out”. > > No idea if there is a manual adjust internal to the unit. > > Bob > > > On Feb 23, 2023, at 8:29 AM, AC0XU (Jim) via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > I have an FTS1050A/015 that is slightly out of range (frequency too high > by 0.3 Hz with front panel adjustment set to 00000). Does this indicate > that something is wrong with the control circuitry or the oscillator, or is > there an internal gross adjustment that I can use to reset the range? > > > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >