In message 1626784396.61618.1580801360408@mail.yahoo.com, Perry Sandeen via t
ime-nuts writes:

Very few vira can survive 14 days, and for all we know at present
that time is sufficient to desinfect 2019-nCov, and to detect any
infections.

A few specialized infectious agents have the ability to produce
"spores" which can survive for long periods of time, and then
revive on contact with humidity.  The best known example is Anthrax.

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Perry Sandeen via time-nuts kirjoitti 4.2.2020 klo 9:29:

Get an ozone generator and put the contaminated gear to some closed
comparment with it. Turn on the generator and let it be for 15 minutes.
No more any viruses, bacteria or mold there... so it's easy!

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I am suspending purchases directly from China for now.  The whole country is in chaos, according to our media.  Their resources are strained.  Too many chances for something going wrong - ignored, lost, delayed, damaged, etc, etc, etc. 

(Mr.) Taka Kamiya
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On Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 2:35:56 AM EST, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote:  

In message 1626784396.61618.1580801360408@mail.yahoo.com, Perry Sandeen via t
ime-nuts writes:

Very few vira can survive 14 days, and for all we know at present
that time is sufficient to desinfect 2019-nCov, and to detect any
infections.

A few specialized infectious agents have the ability to produce
"spores" which can survive for long periods of time, and then
revive on contact with humidity.  The best known example is Anthrax.

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All...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html

From the FAQ...

/"//Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread most often by
respiratory droplets. Currently there is no evidence to support
transmission of 2019-nCoV associated with imported goods and there have
not been any cases of 2019-nCoV in the United States associated with
imported goods"/

TT

On 4/02/2020 6:37 pm, Esa Heikkinen wrote:

The seller is located in Israel :) not in China. So the corona would not
really be the problem.
But the items are not new(!). The product date code is 06/21/00 for the
one and 0127 as 27th week of 2001
is for the second one.

best regards

Chris

'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.' -- Albert Einstein

Am 04.02.2020 um 08:29 schrieb Perry Sandeen via time-nuts:

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:17 AM Christoph Kopetzky ck@cksd.de wrote:

While there are some for sale in Israel, there are also some in China

I would suggest just searching for "LPRO 101"

Cheers

Arne

Ah OK, now I found the other offers... OK China...
Sorry for my quick first answer.
I agree with Esa. Ozone is a good method for contact-free desinfecting
goods. The other alternative will be UV light. But
ozone is much better.

best regards

Chris

'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.' -- Albert Einstein

Am 04.02.2020 um 10:03 schrieb Christoph Kopetzky:

Actinic short wavelength UV light, the same stuff you use to erase EPROMs
or sterilise scissors, pond or aquarium water will do the job but, a little
perspective, there are 1.386 billion people in China and fewer than 21,000
confirmed cases of coronavirus, fewer than 500 deaths since the outbreak
began, thus far more people have died from seasonal flu today alone.

I leave the reader ( who will probably be far better with statistical
analysis than I) to calculate the chances of a person infected with the
virus coming into contact with a package, then you can work out the chances
of said virus surviving the time the journey takes.

I'm not going to bother sterilizing goods from China and won't be
panicking, instead I'll wash my hands and cough/sneeze into tissues.

The Chinese LPro look like a good deal but the Israeli ones have the
connector and a module which seems to break it out to a d-sub and SMA,
might make it worth the extra?

On Tue, 4 Feb 2020, 09:35 Christoph Kopetzky, ck@cksd.de wrote:

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:55 PM Clint Jay cjaysharp@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you.

The figures for the US, for this winter season, from "seasonal flu", stand
at a quarter of a million hospitalisations, and about 20,000 deaths.  This
is the "normal" flu.  Please note that the number of deaths is constantly
being revised upwards for any particular week, as reports come in for cause
of death.

If the 500 deaths so far in China had occurred within the USA, during
January, they might not be detectable in the background.

Further (updated) figures here:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

I am in Singapore, 3500km from Wuhan (about Chicago to Tijuana), and the
panic here is hard to describe.  Restaurants with three hour waiting on
weekends have empty tables.

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I recommend Flying Monkey

(are we sufficiently off-topic now?)

Re: China, I heard a piece on NPR that gave the opinion that the virus
would only survive a few hours on a surface.  Anything coming from China
should be fine.  We are probably more likely to die from panic.  ;-)

David N1HAC

On 2/4/20 4:54 AM, Clint Jay wrote:

On 2/4/20 1:34 AM, Christoph Kopetzky wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen, Ozone is terrible for any sort of elastomer or
polymer. It's highly reactive, etc.  They use it purify water, but
that's a sort of special case - you want the pathogens to be broken. You
don't want sealing materials and polymer packages degrading

(for what it's worth UV also tends to break things down)

Quarantine would be a better bet.

I suppose you could do Ethylene Oxide (which works at lower temperatures
and is less reactive than Ozone)

Viruses do not survive without a host. The common cold survives the
longest, as much as 7 days, but most die within 24 hours. Hard surfaces
(like your equipment) support the longest life.

Viruses don't form spores (Anthrax (Bacillus anthracis) is a bacteria,
as is Botulism( Clostridium botulinum))

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6282993

J Infect Dis. 1982 Jul;146(1):47-51.
Survival of influenza viruses on environmental surfaces.
Bean B, Moore BM, Sterner B, Peterson LR, Gerding DN, Balfour HH Jr.

On 2/4/20 01:29, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote:

OK, coronavirus fun aside, is it possible that these LPRO-101's that are
listed as new may be new old stock, i.e. could they have been backup
units in a box that never got put into service? That would suggest that
they have full life available on the Rb lamp.

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They are definitely not new as stated in the item state. In the
description you can read at every seller "used item"...
So the brandnew state is only a price leader.
In addition there are several seller (you.are.you, cncdeals5 and
color-fashion-6) with small price differences and shipping costs
but all the same pictures... Delivery timeframe to germany between 16th
of march and 13th of may :( So delivery with ship container...

I became very critical to chines sellers because I bought several items
in the last month from chinese sellers and over 50 % was only
expensive garbadge after receiving and testing.
And I do not know whether I should buy from a seller who is using
several accounts to sell the goods...
In the meantime I do have a few sellers who are trustworthy and
everytime I bought something the things are quite in a very good state
with fast shipping time  and not defective.
So you have to make your own experiences :)

Chris

'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.' -- Albert Einstein

Am 04.02.2020 um 16:49 schrieb Brian Lloyd: