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Davignon, Russell
Mon, Mar 5, 2007 12:08 PM

Guys, Preparing for my first long term ( 1year) cruise through the
Caribbean.  Although I have a generator and  solar panels I am
wondering how you all cope with the 230v/50Hz  electricity???  I have a
feeling that my wife is going to prefer tying up rather than being on
the hook and running the genset is not going to be a good option.

Anyone bought a  230/50 inverter/charger or a unit for both 50/60 Hz
????  Other advice??  Thanks Russ Davignon ASCENSION

" Since you cannot do good to all, you are to pay special attention to
those who, by accidents of time, or place, or circumstance are brought
into closer connection with you." St. Augstine

Guys, Preparing for my first long term ( 1year) cruise through the Caribbean. Although I have a generator and solar panels I am wondering how you all cope with the 230v/50Hz electricity??? I have a feeling that my wife is going to prefer tying up rather than being on the hook and running the genset is not going to be a good option. Anyone bought a 230/50 inverter/charger or a unit for both 50/60 Hz ???? Other advice?? Thanks Russ Davignon ASCENSION " Since you cannot do good to all, you are to pay special attention to those who, by accidents of time, or place, or circumstance are brought into closer connection with you." St. Augstine
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Lee Licata
Mon, Mar 5, 2007 2:12 PM

Russ,

you do not say what you have for shore power and loads but I can tell
you from personal experience that 110/60 Hz machines for the most
part will not have a problem with 110/50 Hz power.

Microwaves may. Some do. Some do not.

A 240 V/ 60 Hz machine (dryer, washer) may have a problem with the 50
Hz.

The simplest thing to buy is a transformer. An Isolation transformer
with multiple taps os probably the best, more marine approved, and
elegant solution.

Or, a large (6 Kw?) transformer rain protected sitting on the dock or
your cockpit can also work.

Need more info though to really help out.

Lee
Ankara Turkey.
Using transformers here in Turkey....

On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:08, Davignon, Russell wrote:

Guys, Preparing for my first long term ( 1year) cruise through the
Caribbean.  Although I have a generator and  solar panels I am
wondering how you all cope with the 230v/50Hz  electricity???  I have a
feeling that my wife is going to prefer tying up rather than being on
the hook and running the genset is not going to be a good option.

Anyone bought a  230/50 inverter/charger or a unit for both 50/60 Hz
????  Other advice??  Thanks Russ Davignon ASCENSION

Russ, you do not say what you have for shore power and loads but I can tell you from personal experience that 110/60 Hz machines for the most part will not have a problem with 110/50 Hz power. Microwaves may. Some do. Some do not. A 240 V/ 60 Hz machine (dryer, washer) may have a problem with the 50 Hz. The simplest thing to buy is a transformer. An Isolation transformer with multiple taps os probably the best, more marine approved, and elegant solution. Or, a large (6 Kw?) transformer rain protected sitting on the dock or your cockpit can also work. Need more info though to really help out. Lee Ankara Turkey. Using transformers here in Turkey.... On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:08, Davignon, Russell wrote: Guys, Preparing for my first long term ( 1year) cruise through the Caribbean. Although I have a generator and solar panels I am wondering how you all cope with the 230v/50Hz electricity??? I have a feeling that my wife is going to prefer tying up rather than being on the hook and running the genset is not going to be a good option. Anyone bought a 230/50 inverter/charger or a unit for both 50/60 Hz ???? Other advice?? Thanks Russ Davignon ASCENSION
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Mike Maurice
Mon, Mar 5, 2007 4:58 PM

T&T: Foreign Country Voltage, 4-11-2005.

The most extensive coverage of this was about 2 years ago under the
topic above.

There is no easy solution and 50hz can burn out expensive equipment.

Mike


Capt. Mike Maurice
Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)

T&T: Foreign Country Voltage, 4-11-2005. The most extensive coverage of this was about 2 years ago under the topic above. There is no easy solution and 50hz can burn out expensive equipment. Mike _____________________________________ Capt. Mike Maurice Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)
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Mike Maurice
Mon, Mar 5, 2007 5:11 PM

T&T: Cruisair Air Conditioners & 50/60 hz. 2-1-2006

There are a couple more posts under the topic above.

Mike


Capt. Mike Maurice
Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)

T&T: Cruisair Air Conditioners & 50/60 hz. 2-1-2006 There are a couple more posts under the topic above. Mike _____________________________________ Capt. Mike Maurice Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)
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Scott H.E. Welch
Mon, Mar 5, 2007 7:29 PM

My two cents worth here:

There are a bunch of solutions which are both costly & expensive.

However, if your onboard power requirements are modest (e.g. no air
conditioning, no dryer, no water heater) and can be handled entirely by your
existing inverter, there is also a very simple, inexpensive solution: get a
"universal input" battery charger such as the Xantrex XC5012 or XC2524. This
puppy will take pretty well any power in the world with no user setup
required. You can then use this to keep the house bank topped up, while
supplying all of the onboard loads through the inverter.

Not perfect if you want to run really heavy loads, but can't be beat from a
price/performance perspective.

Scott Welch
Product Manager, FirstClass Group

"If we continue to take an eye for an eye, then surely the whole world will
go blind." - Gandhi

Scott Welch
Product Manager, FirstClass Group

"If we continue to take an eye for an eye, then surely the whole world will
go blind." - Gandhi

My two cents worth here: There are a bunch of solutions which are both costly & expensive. However, if your onboard power requirements are modest (e.g. no air conditioning, no dryer, no water heater) and can be handled entirely by your existing inverter, there is also a very simple, inexpensive solution: get a "universal input" battery charger such as the Xantrex XC5012 or XC2524. This puppy will take pretty well any power in the world with no user setup required. You can then use this to keep the house bank topped up, while supplying all of the onboard loads through the inverter. Not perfect if you want to run really heavy loads, but can't be beat from a price/performance perspective. Scott Welch Product Manager, FirstClass Group "If we continue to take an eye for an eye, then surely the whole world will go blind." - Gandhi Scott Welch Product Manager, FirstClass Group "If we continue to take an eye for an eye, then surely the whole world will go blind." - Gandhi
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Al Thomason
Mon, Mar 5, 2007 9:18 PM

This is the approach I am taking, but I actually use a 2nd inverter/charger.
In this way I have a backup inverter, and when used like you pointed out
below can deal with the 50/60hz issue.

-al-

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott H.E. Welch" scott@firstclass.com
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com

However, if your onboard power requirements are modest (e.g. no air
conditioning, no dryer, no water heater) and can be handled entirely by
your
existing inverter, there is also a very simple, inexpensive solution: get
a
"universal input" battery charger such as the Xantrex XC5012 or XC2524.

This is the approach I am taking, but I actually use a 2nd inverter/charger. In this way I have a backup inverter, and when used like you pointed out below can deal with the 50/60hz issue. -al- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott H.E. Welch" <scott@firstclass.com> To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> > However, if your onboard power requirements are modest (e.g. no air > conditioning, no dryer, no water heater) and can be handled entirely by > your > existing inverter, there is also a very simple, inexpensive solution: get > a > "universal input" battery charger such as the Xantrex XC5012 or XC2524.
SH
Scott H.E. Welch
Mon, Mar 5, 2007 9:38 PM

"Al Thomason" thomason.al@gmail.com writes:

This is the approach I am taking, but I actually use a 2nd inverter/charger.
In this way I have a backup inverter, and when used like you pointed out
below can deal with the 50/60hz issue.

You need to be very careful about this. Many inverter/chargers are also
automatic 110V switches as well. When they see good AC power, they switch the
load over to the incoming power instead of running the inverter. You don't
want that to happen, or else you'll be supplying 50Hz to the boat.

Scott Welch
Product Manager, FirstClass Group

"If we continue to take an eye for an eye, then surely the whole world will
go blind." - Gandhi

"Al Thomason" <thomason.al@gmail.com> writes: >This is the approach I am taking, but I actually use a 2nd inverter/charger. >In this way I have a backup inverter, and when used like you pointed out >below can deal with the 50/60hz issue. You need to be very careful about this. Many inverter/chargers are also automatic 110V switches as well. When they see good AC power, they switch the load over to the incoming power instead of running the inverter. You don't want that to happen, or else you'll be supplying 50Hz to the boat. Scott Welch Product Manager, FirstClass Group "If we continue to take an eye for an eye, then surely the whole world will go blind." - Gandhi
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Al Thomason
Mon, Mar 5, 2007 11:44 PM

Right,  In my case, the 2nd inverter is installed in such a way that this will
not happen.  There is a dedicated line in to the 2nd inverter when it is used
as a '50hz battery charger'.  The normal ship shore power hence does not get
energized and hence the primary inverter will not switch into pass through
mode, only invert mode.

-al-

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott H.E. Welch
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Cc: Al Thomason
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: T&T: 230v/50Hz
You need to be very careful about this. Many inverter/chargers are also
automatic 110V switches as well. When they see good AC power, they switch the
load over to the incoming power instead of running the inverter.

Right, In my case, the 2nd inverter is installed in such a way that this will not happen. There is a dedicated line in to the 2nd inverter when it is used as a '50hz battery charger'. The normal ship shore power hence does not get energized and hence the primary inverter will not switch into pass through mode, only invert mode. -al- ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott H.E. Welch To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com Cc: Al Thomason Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: Re: T&T: 230v/50Hz You need to be very careful about this. Many inverter/chargers are also automatic 110V switches as well. When they see good AC power, they switch the load over to the incoming power instead of running the inverter.