On 10 Feb 2014, at 13:28, Andres Valloud <avalloud@smalltalk.comcastbiz.net> wrote: > On 2/10/14 4:24 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> I do not understand the motivation of Janko, especially since he is apparently alone to think that way. > > Now now, let's not get the flames stoked again :). Sorry andres but I’m personally attack and I do not even know why and for what. We are attacked because the board thought that this is better to pay 5000 $ students so that they get the same as GSOC ones. This is really that. I cannot believe it. And I can tell you that I do not want to get anything to do with GSOC (I will redraw my topics) and Janko. Stef > > Andres. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

So, if i understood correctly, ESUG spent more money last year running GSoC than it received from Google. Which literally means ESUG budget lost some money. Shall any students/mentors/ESUG affiliates be enraged about that fact? Or did smalltalk community in general lost because of that? I may be wrong (because sure thing i am biased asshole), but as to me both answers will be 'no'. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

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On 10 Feb 2014, at 16:35, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote: > So, if i understood correctly, > ESUG spent more money last year running GSoC than it received from Google. > Which literally means ESUG budget lost some money. > > Shall any students/mentors/ESUG affiliates be enraged about that fact? > Or did smalltalk community in general lost because of that? > > I may be wrong (because sure thing i am biased asshole), but as to me both answers will be 'no'. > We even *decided* to spend more money, because people told us it would be unfair if not (and they where right). I just remembered the discussion, not that we even solved that already last year. The whole discussion started because of my mail and I am kicking myself for having send it in the first place: THERE WAS NO PROBLEM LAST YEAR. We just need to think about what to do this year, this is what I wanted to say in the original mail, because what we did last year we could do last year but not again. Now this mail will not help anything and just add to the mess… I am really sorry for having started the whole discussion. (instead of a relaxing weekend to be productive I am now an unproductive mess after a weekend without sleep… not good). Marcus

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Marcus do not blame yourself. Your mail was plain correct. Janko wants to kill me with his systematic attacks and this is perfect, if he feels better after that. Indeed we should have never ever helped on GSOC. I was too optimistic. I will quit mentoring and do not talk to me about GSOC and Janko after that episode. > So, if i understood correctly, >> ESUG spent more money last year running GSoC than it received from Google. >> Which literally means ESUG budget lost some money. >> >> Shall any students/mentors/ESUG affiliates be enraged about that fact? >> Or did smalltalk community in general lost because of that? >> >> I may be wrong (because sure thing i am biased asshole), but as to me both answers will be 'no'. Indeed igor you are just correct :) >> > > We even *decided* to spend more money, because people told us it would be unfair if not > (and they where right). > > I just remembered the discussion, not that we even solved that already last year. > > The whole discussion started because of my mail and I am kicking myself for having send it > in the first place: THERE WAS NO PROBLEM LAST YEAR. > > We just need to think about what to do this year, this is what I wanted to say in the original mail, > because what we did last year we could do last year but not again. > > Now this mail will not help anything and just add to the mess... I am really sorry for having started > the whole discussion. > > (instead of a relaxing weekend to be productive I am now an unproductive mess after a weekend > without sleep... not good). > > Marcus > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

On 10 Feb 2014, at 16:35, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote: > So, if i understood correctly, > ESUG spent more money last year running GSoC than it received from Google. > Which literally means ESUG budget lost some money. yes :) Because we wanted to be fair between students :) now we are blablanty unethical :) > Shall any students/mentors/ESUG affiliates be enraged about that fact? > Or did smalltalk community in general lost because of that? > > I may be wrong (because sure thing i am biased asshole), but as to me both answers will be 'no'. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.