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bob england
Mon, Nov 10, 2008 1:46 AM

In other words, if your entering the Galveston ship channell 20 miles offshore
and your engine craps out with a 20 knot north wind your gonna end up in
Mexico, or Cuba.

In other words, if your entering the Galveston ship channell 20 miles offshore and your engine craps out with a 20 knot north wind your gonna end up in Mexico, or Cuba.
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Patrick Gerety
Mon, Nov 10, 2008 1:56 AM

----- Original Message ----
From: bob england bob_england@hotmail.com
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Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008
6:46:00 PM
Subject: [PUP] PPM- Stability & Comfort

In other words, if your

entering the Galveston ship channell 20 miles offshore

and your engine craps

out with a 20 knot north wind your gonna end up in

Mexico, or Cuba.

Unfortunately yes or someplace else.  But the same thing will happen with a
wing engine that gets you through the water at 3 knots in perfect conditions.
You ain't going to power into 20 knots of wind with a wing engine.

Patrick
Willard 40PH
ALOHA
La Paz, MX

----- Original Message ---- From: bob england <bob_england@hotmail.com> To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 6:46:00 PM Subject: [PUP] PPM- Stability & Comfort >In other words, if your entering the Galveston ship channell 20 miles offshore >and your engine craps out with a 20 knot north wind your gonna end up in >Mexico, or Cuba. Unfortunately yes or someplace else. But the same thing will happen with a wing engine that gets you through the water at 3 knots in perfect conditions. You ain't going to power into 20 knots of wind with a wing engine. Patrick Willard 40PH ALOHA La Paz, MX
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Ken Williams
Mon, Nov 10, 2008 3:55 AM

Patrick Gerety said: "...But the same thing will happen with a wing engine
that gets you through the water at 3 knots in perfect conditions.  You ain't
going to power into 20 knots of wind with a wing engine...."

Patrick:

I don't know that I can explain why, but the wing engines do a better job
than you might think.

We only had to rely on our wing engine one time. We were in the Bay of Lyon
(Spain), on our Nordhavn 62, approx. 150 miles from shore when our main
engine quit. There was an endless string of squalls, with sustained winds in
the 20s, and gusts to 35 knots. Our wing engine only moved the boat around
3.5 knots, but it seemed to be a rock solid 3.5 knots. The wind and waves
didn't seem to make a difference. I'd guess the seas as force 4 or 5. I
remember being impressed that that the boat could maintain a steady speed. I
can't speak for how the wing engine would fair in higher seas, but suspect
it would do just fine (and, be much better than the alternative).

-Ken W

Patrick Gerety said: "...But the same thing will happen with a wing engine that gets you through the water at 3 knots in perfect conditions. You ain't going to power into 20 knots of wind with a wing engine...." Patrick: I don't know that I can explain why, but the wing engines do a better job than you might think. We only had to rely on our wing engine one time. We were in the Bay of Lyon (Spain), on our Nordhavn 62, approx. 150 miles from shore when our main engine quit. There was an endless string of squalls, with sustained winds in the 20s, and gusts to 35 knots. Our wing engine only moved the boat around 3.5 knots, but it seemed to be a rock solid 3.5 knots. The wind and waves didn't seem to make a difference. I'd guess the seas as force 4 or 5. I remember being impressed that that the boat could maintain a steady speed. I can't speak for how the wing engine would fair in higher seas, but suspect it would do just fine (and, be much better than the alternative). -Ken W
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John Harris
Mon, Nov 10, 2008 4:05 AM

I'm with you Ken, a wing may not be fast but even a big boat doesn't require
a lot of horsepower to make progress.

Any boat that is able to run at less than 2 gallons per hour fuel
consumption is only using less than 30 horsepower.  Most wing engines on
even medium size trawlers are in that range of power.

John Harris
World Odd @ Sea

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I'm with you Ken, a wing may not be fast but even a big boat doesn't require a lot of horsepower to make progress. Any boat that is able to run at less than 2 gallons per hour fuel consumption is only using less than 30 horsepower. Most wing engines on even medium size trawlers are in that range of power. John Harris World Odd @ Sea -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 444 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message
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Ross Anderson
Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:18 PM

No perfect solution but I would still use a "Wing" with enough HP to
power at 5 kts and also to provide charging for batteries. I carry a
steading sail on communications/crows nest mast but mainly for rest at
anchor, would need a 40 kt breeze and tilting the globe to use it for
anything else. .God Bless - Ross - 10&2

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Patrick Gerety alohaboat@yahoo.com wrote:

----- Original Message ----
From: bob england bob_england@hotmail.com
To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008
6:46:00 PM
Subject: [PUP] PPM- Stability & Comfort

In other words, if your

entering the Galveston ship channell 20 miles offshore

and your engine craps

out with a 20 knot north wind your gonna end up in

Mexico, or Cuba.

Unfortunately yes or someplace else.  But the same thing will happen with a
wing engine that gets you through the water at 3 knots in perfect conditions.
You ain't going to power into 20 knots of wind with a wing engine.

Patrick
Willard 40PH
ALOHA
La Paz, MX


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No perfect solution but I would still use a "Wing" with enough HP to power at 5 kts and also to provide charging for batteries. I carry a steading sail on communications/crows nest mast but mainly for rest at anchor, would need a 40 kt breeze and tilting the globe to use it for anything else. .God Bless - Ross - 10&2 On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Patrick Gerety <alohaboat@yahoo.com> wrote: > ----- Original Message ---- > From: bob england <bob_england@hotmail.com> > To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com > Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 > 6:46:00 PM > Subject: [PUP] PPM- Stability & Comfort > >>In other words, if your > entering the Galveston ship channell 20 miles offshore >>and your engine craps > out with a 20 knot north wind your gonna end up in >>Mexico, or Cuba. > Unfortunately yes or someplace else. But the same thing will happen with a > wing engine that gets you through the water at 3 knots in perfect conditions. > You ain't going to power into 20 knots of wind with a wing engine. > > Patrick > Willard 40PH > ALOHA > La Paz, MX > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.