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poledriver@msn.com
Mon, Mar 18, 2002 12:16 AM

We are already making plans to attend Poulsbo.

Cheers;
Mike Schooley<

Mike,
Those of us to did not attend Melbourne are all waiting to hear about your
presentation on Internet Access. How did it go?

Rex
M/V Zeus
Preston WA

>We are already making plans to attend Poulsbo. Cheers; Mike Schooley< Mike, Those of us to did not attend Melbourne are all waiting to hear about your presentation on Internet Access. How did it go? Rex M/V Zeus Preston WA
S
schooley@keyway.net
Mon, Mar 18, 2002 3:41 AM

Rex wrote, "Those of us to did not attend Melbourne are all waiting to hear
about your presentation on Internet Access. How did it go?"

Well, I think it went well, although I'm probably biased. Maybe you should
ask those who attended?

Judging from the questions, I'd say that the vast majority of the interest
was in access through cell phones.

I promise to have the presentation up on our web page in a day or two. If
you can't wait, I can email it in PowerPoint, but it is 1.89 MB.

The good news is the Digital Antenna Cellular amplifier and external antenna
www.digitalantenna.com has received approval from the FCC (3 Watts analog
and 2 Watts digital). They can be purchased at www.boatantenna.com. I called
Digital Antenna before I left. Their system amplifies both the transmits and
receive signals I'm not sure how effective this is, but most handsets are
transmit limited). The transmit signal is amplified up to the FCC limit,
which is generally 5 times the power of your handset. They also reduce power
at short range to avoid over powering the tower. They claim that they can
provide 50 to 70 mi range over water. They said the 50 mi range was for a
10' antenna height above water and the 8' antenna. I believe the Digital
Antenna "Booster" is the modern equivalent of the bag phone, but it works
with your existing phone and it works for both digital and analog coverage.

The bad news. I called MotoSat and they said that they do not expect to get
approval for two-way satellite service on moving platforms (boats) in the
foreseeable future. This is bad news for those waiting for affordable
Broadband service. This means the only option is the KVH TracNet service
which uses satellite for the downlink and landline, cell phone or satellite
phone for the uplink.

Cheers;
Mike Schooley
Designing "Portager" a 36' trailerable trawler

Rex wrote, "Those of us to did not attend Melbourne are all waiting to hear about your presentation on Internet Access. How did it go?" Well, I think it went well, although I'm probably biased. Maybe you should ask those who attended? Judging from the questions, I'd say that the vast majority of the interest was in access through cell phones. I promise to have the presentation up on our web page in a day or two. If you can't wait, I can email it in PowerPoint, but it is 1.89 MB. The good news is the Digital Antenna Cellular amplifier and external antenna www.digitalantenna.com has received approval from the FCC (3 Watts analog and 2 Watts digital). They can be purchased at www.boatantenna.com. I called Digital Antenna before I left. Their system amplifies both the transmits and receive signals I'm not sure how effective this is, but most handsets are transmit limited). The transmit signal is amplified up to the FCC limit, which is generally 5 times the power of your handset. They also reduce power at short range to avoid over powering the tower. They claim that they can provide 50 to 70 mi range over water. They said the 50 mi range was for a 10' antenna height above water and the 8' antenna. I believe the Digital Antenna "Booster" is the modern equivalent of the bag phone, but it works with your existing phone and it works for both digital and analog coverage. The bad news. I called MotoSat and they said that they do not expect to get approval for two-way satellite service on moving platforms (boats) in the foreseeable future. This is bad news for those waiting for affordable Broadband service. This means the only option is the KVH TracNet service which uses satellite for the downlink and landline, cell phone or satellite phone for the uplink. Cheers; Mike Schooley Designing "Portager" a 36' trailerable trawler
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bob@tamara-b.org
Mon, Mar 18, 2002 4:38 AM

On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:41, Mike Schooley wrote:

This means the only option is the KVH TracNet service
which uses satellite for the downlink and landline, cell phone or satellite
phone for the uplink.

Mike:

Did you look at the Inmarsat fleet77 system? It's satellite both ways
with ISDN capability at 64kbps.

Bob

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m/v Tamara B. Cape Elizebeth Me. http://www.tamara-b.org
kelly@tamara-b.org bob@tamara-b.org
411 Walnut Street #1885 Green Cove Springs, FL. 32043

On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:41, Mike Schooley wrote: > This means the only option is the KVH TracNet service > which uses satellite for the downlink and landline, cell phone or satellite > phone for the uplink. > Mike: Did you look at the Inmarsat fleet77 system? It's satellite both ways with ISDN capability at 64kbps. Bob -- --------------------------------------------------------- Kelly and Bob, soon to be living and cruising aboard the m/v Tamara B. Cape Elizebeth Me. http://www.tamara-b.org kelly@tamara-b.org bob@tamara-b.org 411 Walnut Street #1885 Green Cove Springs, FL. 32043 ---------------------------------------------------------
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schooley@keyway.net
Mon, Mar 18, 2002 5:00 AM

Bob wrote, "Did you look at the Inmarsat fleet77 system? It's satellite both
ways with ISDN capability at 64kbps."

Yes, but I said affordable. Most people on the list don't consider it
affordable both due to the usage cost and the installation cost as evidenced
by the fact that it has been around a long time but not used on any Trawlers
I know of. For a business it may be affordable, but for cruisers is isn't.

MotoSat would have provided unlimited usage for $89/mo, 500 MB/sec down and
70 KB/sec up. TracNet is $79/mo for unlimited usage and 400 MB/sec down.

Cheers;
Mike Schooley
Designing "Portager" a 36' trailerable trawler

Bob wrote, "Did you look at the Inmarsat fleet77 system? It's satellite both ways with ISDN capability at 64kbps." Yes, but I said affordable. Most people on the list don't consider it affordable both due to the usage cost and the installation cost as evidenced by the fact that it has been around a long time but not used on any Trawlers I know of. For a business it may be affordable, but for cruisers is isn't. MotoSat would have provided unlimited usage for $89/mo, 500 MB/sec down and 70 KB/sec up. TracNet is $79/mo for unlimited usage and 400 MB/sec down. Cheers; Mike Schooley Designing "Portager" a 36' trailerable trawler
C
cebell@attglobal.net
Mon, Mar 18, 2002 10:35 AM

Look at www.expressvu.com.  Bell Canada the largest Canadian Carrier has an
Internet service over their satellite TV system.  It also is a Satellite
download and phone line up load system.  The prices look very attractive.
It sits on a Canadian satellite and I have asked them what the footprint of
the bird is.  I will post the response when I receive it.

Clarence Bell
Toronto
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Schooley" schooley@keyway.net
To: "Rex" poledriver@msn.com; trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: TWL: RE: Trawler Fest

Rex wrote, "Those of us to did not attend Melbourne are all waiting to

hear

about your presentation on Internet Access. How did it go?"

Well, I think it went well, although I'm probably biased. Maybe you should
ask those who attended?

Judging from the questions, I'd say that the vast majority of the interest
was in access through cell phones.

I promise to have the presentation up on our web page in a day or two. If
you can't wait, I can email it in PowerPoint, but it is 1.89 MB.

The good news is the Digital Antenna Cellular amplifier and external

antenna

www.digitalantenna.com has received approval from the FCC (3 Watts analog
and 2 Watts digital). They can be purchased at www.boatantenna.com. I

called

Digital Antenna before I left. Their system amplifies both the transmits

and

receive signals I'm not sure how effective this is, but most handsets are
transmit limited). The transmit signal is amplified up to the FCC limit,
which is generally 5 times the power of your handset. They also reduce

power

at short range to avoid over powering the tower. They claim that they can
provide 50 to 70 mi range over water. They said the 50 mi range was for a
10' antenna height above water and the 8' antenna. I believe the Digital
Antenna "Booster" is the modern equivalent of the bag phone, but it works
with your existing phone and it works for both digital and analog

coverage.

The bad news. I called MotoSat and they said that they do not expect to

get

approval for two-way satellite service on moving platforms (boats) in the
foreseeable future. This is bad news for those waiting for affordable
Broadband service. This means the only option is the KVH TracNet service
which uses satellite for the downlink and landline, cell phone or

satellite

phone for the uplink.

Cheers;
Mike Schooley
Designing "Portager" a 36' trailerable trawler

Look at www.expressvu.com. Bell Canada the largest Canadian Carrier has an Internet service over their satellite TV system. It also is a Satellite download and phone line up load system. The prices look very attractive. It sits on a Canadian satellite and I have asked them what the footprint of the bird is. I will post the response when I receive it. Clarence Bell Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Schooley" <schooley@keyway.net> To: "Rex" <poledriver@msn.com>; <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: RE: TWL: RE: Trawler Fest > Rex wrote, "Those of us to did not attend Melbourne are all waiting to hear > about your presentation on Internet Access. How did it go?" > > Well, I think it went well, although I'm probably biased. Maybe you should > ask those who attended? > > Judging from the questions, I'd say that the vast majority of the interest > was in access through cell phones. > > I promise to have the presentation up on our web page in a day or two. If > you can't wait, I can email it in PowerPoint, but it is 1.89 MB. > > The good news is the Digital Antenna Cellular amplifier and external antenna > www.digitalantenna.com has received approval from the FCC (3 Watts analog > and 2 Watts digital). They can be purchased at www.boatantenna.com. I called > Digital Antenna before I left. Their system amplifies both the transmits and > receive signals I'm not sure how effective this is, but most handsets are > transmit limited). The transmit signal is amplified up to the FCC limit, > which is generally 5 times the power of your handset. They also reduce power > at short range to avoid over powering the tower. They claim that they can > provide 50 to 70 mi range over water. They said the 50 mi range was for a > 10' antenna height above water and the 8' antenna. I believe the Digital > Antenna "Booster" is the modern equivalent of the bag phone, but it works > with your existing phone and it works for both digital and analog coverage. > > The bad news. I called MotoSat and they said that they do not expect to get > approval for two-way satellite service on moving platforms (boats) in the > foreseeable future. This is bad news for those waiting for affordable > Broadband service. This means the only option is the KVH TracNet service > which uses satellite for the downlink and landline, cell phone or satellite > phone for the uplink. > > Cheers; > Mike Schooley > Designing "Portager" a 36' trailerable trawler >
S
schooley@keyway.net
Mon, Mar 18, 2002 3:28 PM

Clarence Bell wrote, "Look at www.expressvu.com.  Bell Canada the largest
Canadian Carrier has an Internet service over their satellite TV system.  It
also is a Satellite download and phone line up load system.  The prices look
very attractive. It sits on a Canadian satellite and I have asked them what
the footprint of the bird is.  I will post the response when I receive it."

Hughes DirectPC aka DIRECTWAY (http://www.direcpc.com/index1.html), MotoSat
(http://www.motosat.com), KVH TracNet
(http://www.kvh.com/products/product.asp?id=57) and StarBand
(http://www.starband.com) all use the Bell ExpressVu Satellite.

KVH provides good coverage maps at but I also like this one
http://hobby.nu/images/nimiq1.gif because it shows more dish sizes and is
independent.

The problem is the Satellite uplink. Since this is a transmitter the FCC has
control over it (in the US). The FCC has not approved any mobile
transmitters for the unlink. The closest thing is MotoSat which expects to
get approval within a month for fixed mobile service.

If you look at the frequently asked questions (FAQ) pages of each system you
will see what I mean.

StarBand FAQ http://www.starband.com/faq/starbandfacts.htm, "StarBand is NOT
currently right for... <snip> Mobile installation applications (e.g. RVs)"

MotoSat FAQ http://www.motosat.com/internetfaq_001.htm, "QUESTION: Can I be
traveling down the road and be online at the same time?
ANSWER: No. You must be parked. In-Motion 2-Way satellite transmission will
not be approved for many years to come. But we find that this is not a major
problem with many who are seeking Internet Connectivity in a mobile
environment."

I have also phoned most of these companies and verified that the two way
satellite service can not be used from a moving or even rocking platform.

Cheers;
Mike Schooley
Designing "Portager" a 36' trailerable trawler

Clarence Bell wrote, "Look at www.expressvu.com. Bell Canada the largest Canadian Carrier has an Internet service over their satellite TV system. It also is a Satellite download and phone line up load system. The prices look very attractive. It sits on a Canadian satellite and I have asked them what the footprint of the bird is. I will post the response when I receive it." Hughes DirectPC aka DIRECTWAY (http://www.direcpc.com/index1.html), MotoSat (http://www.motosat.com), KVH TracNet (http://www.kvh.com/products/product.asp?id=57) and StarBand (http://www.starband.com) all use the Bell ExpressVu Satellite. KVH provides good coverage maps at but I also like this one http://hobby.nu/images/nimiq1.gif because it shows more dish sizes and is independent. The problem is the Satellite uplink. Since this is a transmitter the FCC has control over it (in the US). The FCC has not approved any mobile transmitters for the unlink. The closest thing is MotoSat which expects to get approval within a month for fixed mobile service. If you look at the frequently asked questions (FAQ) pages of each system you will see what I mean. StarBand FAQ http://www.starband.com/faq/starbandfacts.htm, "StarBand is NOT currently right for... <snip> Mobile installation applications (e.g. RVs)" MotoSat FAQ http://www.motosat.com/internetfaq_001.htm, "QUESTION: Can I be traveling down the road and be online at the same time? ANSWER: No. You must be parked. In-Motion 2-Way satellite transmission will not be approved for many years to come. But we find that this is not a major problem with many who are seeking Internet Connectivity in a mobile environment." I have also phoned most of these companies and verified that the two way satellite service can not be used from a moving or even rocking platform. Cheers; Mike Schooley Designing "Portager" a 36' trailerable trawler