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Re: TWL: Foam

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pgslo@juno.com
Wed, Jan 5, 2000 10:49 PM

On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 16:16:19 -0400 Bob Conrich bob@eastcaribbean.com
writes:

I wonder if I could ask you to give us a general lesson on foam,
not only for furniture but for mattresses, cushions both interior
and exterior, what the different types are made of, what to avoid
for what purpose, relative cost of the different types and how to
talk intelligently about foam to people who are trying to sell us
something.  Oh, and closed cell and open cell.

Oh boy,  you have asked me to comment on a subject that is more hotly
debated than religion, politics, and taxes!  I will make some general
comments, but anyone is allowed to disagree.

First, closed cell versus open cell.  The pro for closed cell is that it
is resistant to water absorption.  The cons are it only comes in a 2 in.
thickness, is harder than  a ROCK to sit on, and it tends to shrink over
time so that the cover appears to be baggy.  Therefore, it is not
appropriate for interiors but has some use for exterior applications, ie.
cockpit cushions.  The boat building company for which I work does not
recommend using closed cell for exterior cockpit cushions.  I think it is
uncomfortable, it is more expensive, and the open cell cushions - if left
where they might get wet - will dry out adequately in a short period of
time if the bottom of the cushion is covered with Textilene (an open mesh
material) to allow the foam to breathe and the water to evaporate.

As far as open cell foam and what to look for, I just checked with our
staff upholsterer for some recommendations.  Open cell foam comes in
several densities, ranging from 1 pound per cu. ft. and higher.  At our
company, we use the highest quality open cell foam known as "Heavy
Density" foam that weighs about 2.5 pounds per cu.ft.  Of course, that is
the most expensive kind.  This Heavy Density foam comes in several
firmnesses - Q21, Q31, Q41, Q51 (21 being the softest and 51 the
firmest).  The firmer the foam, the longer it holds up in general.  We
find that most of our customers prefer a sleeping mattress to be about
Q31 and cushions for a settee about Q41.  Now if you want to be really
cute and want to get the deluxe application, I suggest the mattress be
made out of 4 in. thick Q41 with a 1 in. thick wrap of Q21.  You can even
do different firmnesses on either side to suit different partner
preferences.  Better than sleeping on a cloud.  This is how all the major
bedding mfg. are making their foam mattresses today and even some of the
innerspring.

In any case, all INTERIOR foam applications should be wrapped in dacron
or poly batting to extend the life of the foam.  Exterior cushions should
not be wrapped and you just replace them more often.

Did you know that 80% of men in the US sleep on the left hand side of the
bed when viewed from the foot?  Conventional wisdom says this goes back
to European custom and Biblical scripture, but who knows.  It was
important that I know these things when I was in the furniture business!

So there you have it, Foam 101.  80% of you passed, 20% failed.

tempus fugit
Patrick

On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 16:16:19 -0400 Bob Conrich <bob@eastcaribbean.com> writes: > I wonder if I could ask you to give us a general lesson on foam, > not only for furniture but for mattresses, cushions both interior > and exterior, what the different types are made of, what to avoid > for what purpose, relative cost of the different types and how to > talk intelligently about foam to people who are trying to sell us > something. Oh, and closed cell and open cell. > Oh boy, you have asked me to comment on a subject that is more hotly debated than religion, politics, and taxes! I will make some general comments, but anyone is allowed to disagree. First, closed cell versus open cell. The pro for closed cell is that it is resistant to water absorption. The cons are it only comes in a 2 in. thickness, is harder than a ROCK to sit on, and it tends to shrink over time so that the cover appears to be baggy. Therefore, it is not appropriate for interiors but has some use for exterior applications, ie. cockpit cushions. The boat building company for which I work does not recommend using closed cell for exterior cockpit cushions. I think it is uncomfortable, it is more expensive, and the open cell cushions - if left where they might get wet - will dry out adequately in a short period of time if the bottom of the cushion is covered with Textilene (an open mesh material) to allow the foam to breathe and the water to evaporate. As far as open cell foam and what to look for, I just checked with our staff upholsterer for some recommendations. Open cell foam comes in several densities, ranging from 1 pound per cu. ft. and higher. At our company, we use the highest quality open cell foam known as "Heavy Density" foam that weighs about 2.5 pounds per cu.ft. Of course, that is the most expensive kind. This Heavy Density foam comes in several firmnesses - Q21, Q31, Q41, Q51 (21 being the softest and 51 the firmest). The firmer the foam, the longer it holds up in general. We find that most of our customers prefer a sleeping mattress to be about Q31 and cushions for a settee about Q41. Now if you want to be really cute and want to get the deluxe application, I suggest the mattress be made out of 4 in. thick Q41 with a 1 in. thick wrap of Q21. You can even do different firmnesses on either side to suit different partner preferences. Better than sleeping on a cloud. This is how all the major bedding mfg. are making their foam mattresses today and even some of the innerspring. In any case, all INTERIOR foam applications should be wrapped in dacron or poly batting to extend the life of the foam. Exterior cushions should not be wrapped and you just replace them more often. Did you know that 80% of men in the US sleep on the left hand side of the bed when viewed from the foot? Conventional wisdom says this goes back to European custom and Biblical scripture, but who knows. It was important that I know these things when I was in the furniture business! So there you have it, Foam 101. 80% of you passed, 20% failed. tempus fugit Patrick
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scaramouche@tvo.org
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 1:17 AM

Oh boy,  you have asked me to comment on a subject that is more hotly
debated than religion, politics, and taxes!  I will make some general
comments, but anyone is allowed to disagree.

That was a really good lesson. That's a keeper in my book. Thanks
muchly and incidentally I lied in my earlier description of my all
foam chesterfield: the individual slabs are 8" thick, so that two
folded up made a comfortable height seat.

Thanks again for FOAM 101 George

BTW: I have cockpit cushions made from 2" closed cell foam which are
not all that uncomfortable but have the added advantage that they
float and can be thrown to someone fallen overboard as livesaving
cushions. Gg

pgslo@juno.com writes: >Oh boy, you have asked me to comment on a subject that is more hotly >debated than religion, politics, and taxes! I will make some general >comments, but anyone is allowed to disagree. That was a really good lesson. That's a keeper in my book. Thanks muchly and incidentally I lied in my earlier description of my all foam chesterfield: the individual slabs are 8" thick, so that two folded up made a comfortable height seat. Thanks again for FOAM 101 George BTW: I have cockpit cushions made from 2" closed cell foam which are not all that uncomfortable but have the added advantage that they float and can be thrown to someone fallen overboard as livesaving cushions. Gg
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oilpans@thepoint.net
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 3:25 AM

pgslo@juno.com wrote:

Patrick, Once again your knowledge and ability to simplfy it, is very
worthy content for all reworking an ole beater.
thanks again
dick

--
Capt Dick Schroder
43' Gulfstar trawler
"Panhandler"
docked Jeffersonville IN
812-246-4822

pgslo@juno.com wrote: Patrick, Once again your knowledge and ability to simplfy it, is very worthy content for all reworking an ole beater. thanks again dick -- Capt Dick Schroder 43' Gulfstar trawler "Panhandler" docked Jeffersonville IN 812-246-4822
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asi@visionet.org
Fri, Feb 4, 2000 2:45 AM

Patirck,
We are interested in what you had to say about foam (back in January) and
their Q values.  Where can we get the various foams that you mentioned.

Sue Denton
SuzieQ

Patirck, We are interested in what you had to say about foam (back in January) and their Q values. Where can we get the various foams that you mentioned. Sue Denton SuzieQ