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FYI: NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.

DJ
David J Taylor
Thu, Aug 14, 2014 4:24 PM

From the UK:

The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution agreement
with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime® - a new
service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated
Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.  More:

http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=august2014

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk

>From the UK: The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS. More: http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=august2014 Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
IY
Iain Young
Thu, Aug 14, 2014 5:34 PM

On 14/08/14 17:24, David J Taylor wrote:

The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution
agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime®

Heh. I saw this, and in fact remember it being mentioned at NPL when I
was there in May for their openday.

I'd love it, but I dread to think what the cost is, and I suspect I
might get a few odd looks when they realised they were delivering to
domestic premises!

Best Regards

Iain

On 14/08/14 17:24, David J Taylor wrote: > The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution > agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime® > - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to > Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS. More: > > http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=august2014 Heh. I saw this, and in fact remember it being mentioned at NPL when I was there in May for their openday. I'd love it, but I dread to think what the cost is, and I suspect I might get a few odd looks when they realised they were delivering to domestic premises! Best Regards Iain
DM
David McGaw
Thu, Aug 14, 2014 5:52 PM

There is no mention how they intend to implement this " trusted and
traceable distribution service for the financial sector that completely
eliminates reliance on GPS".  We saw how a loose connector can create a
"faster than light" neutrino.  Good luck to them on being able to
deliver on the promise.

David McGaw

On 8/14/14 1:34 PM, Iain Young wrote:

On 14/08/14 17:24, David J Taylor wrote:

The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution
agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime®

  • a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to
    Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.  More:

http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=august2014

Heh. I saw this, and in fact remember it being mentioned at NPL when I
was there in May for their openday.

I'd love it, but I dread to think what the cost is, and I suspect I
might get a few odd looks when they realised they were delivering to
domestic premises!

Best Regards

Iain


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There is no mention how they intend to implement this " trusted and traceable distribution service for the financial sector that completely eliminates reliance on GPS". We saw how a loose connector can create a "faster than light" neutrino. Good luck to them on being able to deliver on the promise. David McGaw On 8/14/14 1:34 PM, Iain Young wrote: > On 14/08/14 17:24, David J Taylor wrote: > >> The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution >> agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime® >> - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to >> Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS. More: >> >> http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=august2014 > > Heh. I saw this, and in fact remember it being mentioned at NPL when I > was there in May for their openday. > > I'd love it, but I dread to think what the cost is, and I suspect I > might get a few odd looks when they realised they were delivering to > domestic premises! > > > Best Regards > > Iain > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
MC
mike cook
Thu, Aug 14, 2014 6:12 PM

WOW!  Guaranteeing compliance with FINRA OATS 7430 !

Here it is......

All computer system clocks and mechanical time stamping devices must be synchronized to within three seconds of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) atomic clock."

They are going to have their work cut out.. dedicated fibre cable.. will they even be able to get close?

Le 14 août 2014 à 18:24, David J Taylor a écrit :

From the UK:

The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.  More:

http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=august2014

Cheers,
David

SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk


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WOW! Guaranteeing compliance with FINRA OATS 7430 ! Here it is...... All computer system clocks and mechanical time stamping devices must be synchronized to within three seconds of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) atomic clock." They are going to have their work cut out.. dedicated fibre cable.. will they even be able to get close? Le 14 août 2014 à 18:24, David J Taylor a écrit : > From the UK: > > The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS. More: > > http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=august2014 > > Cheers, > David > -- > SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements > Web: http://www.satsignal.eu > Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
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Jim Lux
Thu, Aug 14, 2014 6:44 PM

On 8/14/14, 11:12 AM, mike cook wrote:

WOW!  Guaranteeing compliance with FINRA OATS 7430 !

Here it is......

All computer system clocks and mechanical time stamping devices must be synchronized to within three seconds of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) atomic clock."

They are going to have their work cut out.. dedicated fibre cable.. will they even be able to get close?

3 seconds is pretty loose though...I could probably distribute time to
within 3 seconds using radio.

Those finance people are concerned about microseconds. They're setting
up (or have set up) a through the air microwave link from New York to
Chicago (I think.. somewhere in that area) because it is faster than
sending the data via fiber.  After all, air has an index closer to 1
than silica, and over 100s of km, that makes a difference.

On 8/14/14, 11:12 AM, mike cook wrote: > WOW! Guaranteeing compliance with FINRA OATS 7430 ! > > Here it is...... > > All computer system clocks and mechanical time stamping devices must be synchronized to within three seconds of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) atomic clock." > > They are going to have their work cut out.. dedicated fibre cable.. will they even be able to get close? > 3 seconds is pretty loose though...I could probably distribute time to within 3 seconds using radio. Those finance people are concerned about microseconds. They're setting up (or have set up) a through the air microwave link from New York to Chicago (I think.. somewhere in that area) because it is faster than sending the data via fiber. After all, air has an index closer to 1 than silica, and over 100s of km, that makes a difference.
CS
Charles Steinmetz
Thu, Aug 14, 2014 7:24 PM

David

The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution
agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver
NPLTime - a new service providing a precise time signal directly
traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.

Great, if you live in Canary Wharf.  (There will be one hub in the
London Docklands, according to the 2-page brochure, with the "last
mile" delivered by dedicated, certified Ethernet link from NPL's rack
at the hub to the customer's premises.)  Clearly designed to serve
the financial industry.  One nice feature is that traceability is
certified to the customer's premises.

I'd love to know what it costs (when speculating, keep in mind that
it was designed to serve the financial industry and is likely priced
accordingly).

Also, are customers contractually prohibited from selling further
distribution of certified time services?

Best regards,

Charles

David >The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution >agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver >NPLTime - a new service providing a precise time signal directly >traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS. Great, if you live in Canary Wharf. (There will be one hub in the London Docklands, according to the 2-page brochure, with the "last mile" delivered by dedicated, certified Ethernet link from NPL's rack at the hub to the customer's premises.) Clearly designed to serve the financial industry. One nice feature is that traceability is certified to the customer's premises. I'd love to know what it costs (when speculating, keep in mind that it was designed to serve the financial industry and is likely priced accordingly). Also, are customers contractually prohibited from selling further distribution of certified time services? Best regards, Charles