Re: [Esug-list] [vwnc] most energy efficient AI system - challenge of the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research BMBF

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Nowak, Helge
Tue, Apr 30, 2019 7:32 AM

Dear all,

I have received several interesting suggestions about innovative ideas, on this list and privately. I would love to see these pursued! Unfortunately this competition is for German  universities and research institutes only. And the idea givers come from elsewhere. Thus we would need a German research group who would take these ideas and bring them to life. And, we would need permission and support by the idea givers to use and implement their ideas. Whether this would result in any remuneration? I don't know.

Are there people out there who would want to take this challenge? If yes, I would be happy to help coordinate things.

Cheers
Helge
[cross-posted to ESUG]

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Hello,

Just to share a bit of the work being done in the Southern Hemisphere:

I can provide more information if necessary...

Cheers,
Alexandre

On Apr 16, 2019, at 3:35 PM, mark pirogovsky mpirogovsky@aol.com wrote:

About AI in Smaltalk:

Bernhard Höfner wrote:

Thank you, Helge, I had no clue but I felt something like this.
…at least it would be an excellent advertisement for Smalltalk when
it succeeds and therefore maybe it would be worth to harness the forces in the Smalltalk community, no matter if Squeak, Pharo, VisualWorks… But Smalltalk will not have any effect without an excellent partner for hardware and for AI algorithms. Maybe the suitable Fraunhofer institute? At least they invented mp3.

In mid 90ies I was part of the Smalltalk project where the Neural network was paired with the distributed computing and n-tier architecture.  The Neural Net part was running on bunch of Windows computers running Win 3.1.  Each of the PC  would get  data from the central Database, analyze and  learn from it and post suggestion and modes to neural network back to the database.

The effectiveness was quite amazing. It was in real production for a
while.  I wonder if something like this still quietly exists  in some
bank or investment place  or CIA

From the early 90th I know that much of the pretended slowness of Smalltalk was absorbed by the more efficient programs due to better analysis, concepts, design and development tools (and maybe developers ? ).

Best Regards, Bernhard

Today reincarnation of the VisualWorks performs just as good as many compiled languages thanks to the VM optimization and excellent  JIT algorithms.

Dear all, I have received several interesting suggestions about innovative ideas, on this list and privately. I would love to see these pursued! Unfortunately this competition is for _German_ universities and research institutes only. And the idea givers come from elsewhere. Thus we would need a German research group who would take these ideas and bring them to life. And, we would need permission and support by the idea givers to use and implement their ideas. Whether this would result in any remuneration? I don't know. Are there people out there who would want to take this challenge? If yes, I would be happy to help coordinate things. Cheers Helge [cross-posted to ESUG] Helge Nowak Cincom Smalltalk Technical Account Manager Cincom Systems GmbH & Co. oHG Humboldtstraße 3 60318 Frankfurt am Main GERMANY office mobile website email +49 89 89 66 44 94 +49 172 74 00 402 http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com hnowak@cincom.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. -- Albert Einstein Geschäftsführer/Managing Directors: Thomas M. Nies, Donald E. Vick oHG mit Sitz/based in Frankfurt am Main (Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main HRA 50297) Pers. haftender Gesellschafter/Partner liable to unlimited extent: Cincom Systems Verwaltungsgesellschaft mbH (Amtsgericht Königstein/Ts. HRB 5069)   --- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT --- This e-mail transmission contains information that is intended to be privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the addressee named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited, please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Alexandre Bergel [mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. April 2019 04:11 An: mpirogovsky@aol.com Cc: Bernhard Höfner <bernhard.hoefner@web.de>; Nowak, Helge <HNowak@cincom.com>; VisualWorks mailing list list <vwnc@cs.uiuc.edu> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] most energy efficient AI system - challenge of the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research BMBF Hello, Just to share a bit of the work being done in the Southern Hemisphere: - The book https://agileartificialintelligence.github.io is going well, and will be published by Apress - Popular AI libraries written in Python are accessible from Smalltalk. Here is a report about it: http://bergel.eu/MyPapers/Infa18a-Keras.pdf I can provide more information if necessary... Cheers, Alexandre > On Apr 16, 2019, at 3:35 PM, mark pirogovsky <mpirogovsky@aol.com> wrote: > > About AI in Smaltalk: > > > Bernhard Höfner wrote: >> Thank you, Helge, I had no clue but I felt something like this. >> …at least it would be an excellent advertisement for Smalltalk when >> it succeeds and therefore maybe it would be worth to harness the forces in the Smalltalk community, no matter if Squeak, Pharo, VisualWorks… But Smalltalk will not have any effect without an excellent partner for hardware and for AI algorithms. Maybe the suitable Fraunhofer institute? At least they invented mp3. > > In mid 90ies I was part of the Smalltalk project where the Neural network was paired with the distributed computing and n-tier architecture. The Neural Net part was running on bunch of Windows computers running Win 3.1. Each of the PC would get data from the central Database, analyze and learn from it and post suggestion and modes to neural network back to the database. > > The effectiveness was quite amazing. It was in real production for a > while. I wonder if something like this still quietly exists in some > bank or investment place or CIA > >> From the early 90th I know that much of the pretended slowness of Smalltalk was absorbed by the more efficient programs due to better analysis, concepts, design and development tools (and maybe developers ? ). >> >> Best Regards, Bernhard > > Today reincarnation of the VisualWorks performs just as good as many compiled languages thanks to the VM optimization and excellent JIT algorithms.