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Who are the boaters?

RG
Rich Gano
Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:19 PM

"People in manufacturing jobs are typically
those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the demands of
restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the bottom
end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the opportunity to
upgrade to larger and newer boats."

I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this
statement is supported by research.

Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL (near Panama City)

"People in manufacturing jobs are typically those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the demands of restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the bottom end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the opportunity to upgrade to larger and newer boats." I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this statement is supported by research. Rich Gano CALYPSO (GB-42 #295) Southport, FL (near Panama City)
RY
Ralph Yost
Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:25 PM

I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below.
Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat
restoration and do all of my own maintenance now.

There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take on a
"fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical ability.

Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than MANUFACTURING jobs.

R.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Gano" richgano@gmail.com
To: "Great Loop List" great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: GL: Who are the boaters?

"People in manufacturing jobs are typically
those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the demands of
restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the
bottom
end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the opportunity to
upgrade to larger and newer boats."

I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this
statement is supported by research.

Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL (near Panama City)


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I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below. Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat restoration and do all of my own maintenance now. There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take on a "fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical ability. Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than MANUFACTURING jobs. R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Gano" <richgano@gmail.com> To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM Subject: GL: Who are the boaters? > "People in manufacturing jobs are typically > those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the demands of > restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the > bottom > end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the opportunity to > upgrade to larger and newer boats." > > I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this > statement is supported by research. > > Rich Gano > CALYPSO (GB-42 #295) > Southport, FL (near Panama City) > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop
RG
Rich Gano
Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:50 PM

That's why I sent the post.  I don't fit that paradigm either.  But that
doesn't mean a lot of others don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Yost [mailto:ralph@alphacompservices.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:25 AM
To: Rich Gano; Great Loop List
Subject: Re: Who are the boaters?

I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below.
Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat
restoration and do all of my own maintenance now.

There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take on a
"fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical ability.

Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than MANUFACTURING jobs.

R.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Gano" richgano@gmail.com
To: "Great Loop List" great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: GL: Who are the boaters?

"People in manufacturing jobs are typically
those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the demands of
restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the
bottom
end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the opportunity to
upgrade to larger and newer boats."

I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this
statement is supported by research.

Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL (near Panama City)


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That's why I sent the post. I don't fit that paradigm either. But that doesn't mean a lot of others don't. -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Yost [mailto:ralph@alphacompservices.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:25 AM To: Rich Gano; Great Loop List Subject: Re: Who are the boaters? I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below. Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat restoration and do all of my own maintenance now. There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take on a "fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical ability. Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than MANUFACTURING jobs. R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Gano" <richgano@gmail.com> To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM Subject: GL: Who are the boaters? > "People in manufacturing jobs are typically > those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the demands of > restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the > bottom > end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the opportunity to > upgrade to larger and newer boats." > > I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this > statement is supported by research. > > Rich Gano > CALYPSO (GB-42 #295) > Southport, FL (near Panama City) > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop
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Elaine Reib
Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:52 PM

I agree with Ralph.  Bob was in electronic calibration for 32 years both in
the Army and then in the private sector, not manufacturing. We bought a bit of
a fixer-upper but he did almost all of our work. (had the bow truster added by
a pro) He figured if he could read about it he could learn how. He never had a
diesel engine in his life but he always repaired any problems we had including
removing the transmission when it broke and took it to a mechanic to fix it
and Bob put it back in the boat. That saved thousands in labor. He would read
about the problem and then the next day he would take on the repair. I always
said; "I hope I never need brain surgery because he might start reading up on
it"!

Elaine Reib
Co-founder, Skipper Bob Publications
717-676-2033
elreib@comcast.net

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Ralph Yost wrote:

I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below.
Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat

restoration and do all of my own maintenance now.

There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take on a

"fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical ability.

Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than MANUFACTURING jobs.

R.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Gano" richgano@gmail.com
To: "Great Loop List" great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: GL: Who are the boaters?

"People in manufacturing jobs are typically
those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the demands of
restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the

bottom

end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the opportunity to
upgrade to larger and newer boats."

I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this
statement is supported by research.

Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL (near Panama City)


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I agree with Ralph. Bob was in electronic calibration for 32 years both in the Army and then in the private sector, not manufacturing. We bought a bit of a fixer-upper but he did almost all of our work. (had the bow truster added by a pro) He figured if he could read about it he could learn how. He never had a diesel engine in his life but he always repaired any problems we had including removing the transmission when it broke and took it to a mechanic to fix it and Bob put it back in the boat. That saved thousands in labor. He would read about the problem and then the next day he would take on the repair. I always said; "I hope I never need brain surgery because he might start reading up on it"! Elaine Reib Co-founder, Skipper Bob Publications 717-676-2033 elreib@comcast.net On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Ralph Yost wrote: > I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below. > Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat restoration and do all of my own maintenance now. > > There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take on a "fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical ability. > > Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than MANUFACTURING jobs. > > R. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Gano" <richgano@gmail.com> > To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.samurai.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM > Subject: GL: Who are the boaters? > > >> "People in manufacturing jobs are typically >> those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the demands of >> restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the bottom >> end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the opportunity to >> upgrade to larger and newer boats." >> >> I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this >> statement is supported by research. >> >> Rich Gano >> CALYPSO (GB-42 #295) >> Southport, FL (near Panama City) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop >> >> To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, >> unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop
J&
John & Judy Gill
Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:46 PM

We don't fit the "profile" either.  It may apply to boaters in
general, but perhaps not to us LOOPERS!!!

We bought a 9 year old 1986 Carver Mariner (old model with two
staterooms) and spent the next 5 years (waiting for retirement and
the start of our Great Loop Cruise) going over and upgrading all the
major systems to get ready for the 'BIG" trip.  We didn't do very
much of the work ourselves, but did our homework and supervised all
the work done on the boat.

The biggest problem we see is the admonition that one can or should
not do the loop in a gasoline powered boat (read our article # 6
titled: A TALE OF TWO BOATS - DIESEL vs GASOLINE on our website
(address below).  The bottom line is if you love your boat and think
you will be comfortable living on it for a year -- take it on the
Loop!!!

Very few boaters complete the Loop with ZERO problems.  We don't go
through life like that either.  Expect a few problems and deal with
them as they come, just as you do with every day life.

When it is all said and done, you will look back at your America's
Great Loop Cruise as one of your life's major accomplishments (at
least from a boating perspective) and at at the very least the Most
Enjoyable Time Of Your Lives.

Life's Accomplishment, Life's Memories, Lifes Friendships are often
expressed by those who have completed the Loop!!

John and Judy Gill
Two Js, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner
Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD
AGLCA Loopers

Email:  < jjgill@twojscom.com >
Website:  http://homepage.mac.com/twojscom/GreatLoop/

---============

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Rich Gano wrote:

That's why I sent the post.  I don't fit that paradigm either.  But
that
doesn't mean a lot of others don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Yost [mailto:ralph@alphacompservices.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:25 AM
To: Rich Gano; Great Loop List
Subject: Re: Who are the boaters?

I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below.
Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat
restoration and do all of my own maintenance now.

There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take on a
"fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical
ability.

Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than
MANUFACTURING jobs.

R.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Gano" richgano@gmail.com
To: "Great Loop List" great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: GL: Who are the boaters?

"People in manufacturing jobs are typically
those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the
demands of
restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the
bottom
end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the
opportunity to
upgrade to larger and newer boats."

I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this
statement is supported by research.

Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL (near Panama City)


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We don't fit the "profile" either. It may apply to boaters in general, but perhaps not to us LOOPERS!!! We bought a 9 year old 1986 Carver Mariner (old model with two staterooms) and spent the next 5 years (waiting for retirement and the start of our Great Loop Cruise) going over and upgrading all the major systems to get ready for the 'BIG" trip. We didn't do very much of the work ourselves, but did our homework and supervised all the work done on the boat. The biggest problem we see is the admonition that one can or should not do the loop in a gasoline powered boat (read our article # 6 titled: A TALE OF TWO BOATS - DIESEL vs GASOLINE on our website (address below). The bottom line is if you love your boat and think you will be comfortable living on it for a year -- take it on the Loop!!! Very few boaters complete the Loop with ZERO problems. We don't go through life like that either. Expect a few problems and deal with them as they come, just as you do with every day life. When it is all said and done, you will look back at your America's Great Loop Cruise as one of your life's major accomplishments (at least from a boating perspective) and at at the very least the Most Enjoyable Time Of Your Lives. Life's Accomplishment, Life's Memories, Lifes Friendships are often expressed by those who have completed the Loop!! John and Judy Gill Two Js, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD AGLCA Loopers Email: < jjgill@twojscom.com > Website: <http://homepage.mac.com/twojscom/GreatLoop/> ============================================= On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Rich Gano wrote: > That's why I sent the post. I don't fit that paradigm either. But > that > doesn't mean a lot of others don't. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Yost [mailto:ralph@alphacompservices.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:25 AM > To: Rich Gano; Great Loop List > Subject: Re: Who are the boaters? > > > I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below. > Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat > restoration and do all of my own maintenance now. > > There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take on a > "fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical > ability. > > Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than > MANUFACTURING jobs. > > R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Gano" <richgano@gmail.com> > To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.samurai.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM > Subject: GL: Who are the boaters? > > >> "People in manufacturing jobs are typically >> those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the >> demands of >> restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the >> bottom >> end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the >> opportunity to >> upgrade to larger and newer boats." >> >> I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this >> statement is supported by research. >> >> Rich Gano >> CALYPSO (GB-42 #295) >> Southport, FL (near Panama City) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop >> >> To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, >> unsubscribe, etc.) go to: >> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/ > great-loop
MM
Matt Mattson
Wed, Jan 6, 2010 1:48 AM

I would agree with him as well.  Our boat "Mischief" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjHNSzZ0PxE
) has been re-built to our needs and serves us as well as any we
could have bought.  Neither of us was in manufacturing or
stratospheric income before taking on the job of re-doing the boat.

Matt Mattson

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Elaine Reib wrote:

I agree with Ralph.  Bob was in electronic calibration for 32 years
both in
the Army and then in the private sector, not manufacturing. We
bought a bit of
a fixer-upper but he did almost all of our work. (had the bow
truster added by
a pro) He figured if he could read about it he could learn how. He
never had a
diesel engine in his life but he always repaired any problems we had
including
removing the transmission when it broke and took it to a mechanic to
fix it
and Bob put it back in the boat. That saved thousands in labor. He
would read
about the problem and then the next day he would take on the repair.
I always
said; "I hope I never need brain surgery because he might start
reading up on
it"!

Elaine Reib
Co-founder, Skipper Bob Publications
717-676-2033
elreib@comcast.net

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Ralph Yost wrote:

I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below.
Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat

restoration and do all of my own maintenance now.

There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take
on a

"fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical
ability.

Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than
MANUFACTURING jobs.

R.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Gano" richgano@gmail.com
To: "Great Loop List" great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: GL: Who are the boaters?

"People in manufacturing jobs are typically
those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the
demands of
restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the

bottom

end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the
opportunity to
upgrade to larger and newer boats."

I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this
statement is supported by research.

Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL (near Panama City)


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I would agree with him as well. Our boat "Mischief" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjHNSzZ0PxE ) has been re-built to our needs and serves us as well as any we could have bought. Neither of us was in manufacturing or stratospheric income before taking on the job of re-doing the boat. Matt Mattson On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Elaine Reib wrote: > I agree with Ralph. Bob was in electronic calibration for 32 years > both in > the Army and then in the private sector, not manufacturing. We > bought a bit of > a fixer-upper but he did almost all of our work. (had the bow > truster added by > a pro) He figured if he could read about it he could learn how. He > never had a > diesel engine in his life but he always repaired any problems we had > including > removing the transmission when it broke and took it to a mechanic to > fix it > and Bob put it back in the boat. That saved thousands in labor. He > would read > about the problem and then the next day he would take on the repair. > I always > said; "I hope I never need brain surgery because he might start > reading up on > it"! > > Elaine Reib > Co-founder, Skipper Bob Publications > 717-676-2033 > elreib@comcast.net > > > > On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Ralph Yost wrote: > >> I would be an exception to that assertion in quotes below. >> Never worked in the manufacturing industry but have worked on boat > restoration and do all of my own maintenance now. >> >> There are many factors that contribute to why a person might take >> on a > "fixer upper", including his background and his natural mechanical > ability. >> >> Nationally, we are a country of more SERVICE jobs than >> MANUFACTURING jobs. >> >> R. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Gano" <richgano@gmail.com> >> To: "Great Loop List" <great-loop@lists.samurai.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:19 AM >> Subject: GL: Who are the boaters? >> >> >>> "People in manufacturing jobs are typically >>> those that have the skills, patience and time to tackle the >>> demands of >>> restoring a "fixer upper." These "hands-on" future boaters drove the > bottom >>> end of the boating market thereby giving current owners the >>> opportunity to >>> upgrade to larger and newer boats." >>> >>> I cut this particular part out of Anthony's treatise to ask if this >>> statement is supported by research. >>> >>> Rich Gano >>> CALYPSO (GB-42 #295) >>> Southport, FL (near Panama City) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop >>> >>> To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email >>> address, >>> unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop >> _______________________________________________ >> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop >> >> To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, >> unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop