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Timely response requested: Termination of an all chain rode

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lalicata@alum.rpi.edu
Mon, Jul 1, 2013 2:03 PM

I am on the hard and just dumped my anchor chain.
My anchor chain locker is behind a water tight collision bulkhead (some 30 nits need to be taken off to get the door to the locker off)
so this is the first time I have opened it up and emptied the locker.

My ½  inch chain is shacked to the bulkhead.

I know the plus' and minus' of it being shackled.

I was thinking of putting some rope to that bitter end so that IF I have to dump the anchor, I just cut the rope.

But then I thought how would I fasten it to the chain?
Could the rope foul the windless?
Is it even necessary?
If I put a rope, do I fasten it to the bulkhead or do I leave it un attached...

Thoughts?

Sorry to have to ask to rush those thoughts but this refit is scheduled for four days so do not have a lot of time to work with....

Lee

Marmaris

I am on the hard and just dumped my anchor chain. My anchor chain locker is behind a water tight collision bulkhead (some 30 nits need to be taken off to get the door to the locker off) so this is the first time I have opened it up and emptied the locker. My ½ inch chain is shacked to the bulkhead. I know the plus' and minus' of it being shackled. I was thinking of putting some rope to that bitter end so that IF I have to dump the anchor, I just cut the rope. But then I thought how would I fasten it to the chain? Could the rope foul the windless? Is it even necessary? If I put a rope, do I fasten it to the bulkhead or do I leave it un attached... Thoughts? Sorry to have to ask to rush those thoughts but this refit is scheduled for four days so do not have a lot of time to work with.... Lee Marmaris
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Steve Sipe
Mon, Jul 1, 2013 2:53 PM

Lee,

Your idea of a piece of line at the bitter end makes good sense. That
line could be attached to the chain with a chain splice, tedious to
apply, but it will pass through the gypsy. The bitter end of the line
could then be made fast to a point inside the locker. It affords a means
to part company with the rode if needed, maybe enough time would be
available to attach a float and long messenger line to the rode before
cutting to enable retrieval of the dropped rode. You certainly won't be
able to easily sever the rode in an emergency otherwise. You could
provide a warning near the end of the chain to alert you so you don't
pay out chain to the point that the line is in danger of being stressed
in case you need all the rode deployed.

Steve

On 7/1/2013 10:03 AM, lalicata@alum.rpi.edu wrote:

I am on the hard and just dumped my anchor chain.
My anchor chain locker is behind a water tight collision bulkhead (some 30 nits need to be taken off to get the door to the locker off)
so this is the first time I have opened it up and emptied the locker.

My ½  inch chain is shacked to the bulkhead.
<snip>

--
Steve Sipe
Solo 4303 "Maerin"
Middle River, MD

Lee, Your idea of a piece of line at the bitter end makes good sense. That line could be attached to the chain with a chain splice, tedious to apply, but it will pass through the gypsy. The bitter end of the line could then be made fast to a point inside the locker. It affords a means to part company with the rode if needed, maybe enough time would be available to attach a float and long messenger line to the rode before cutting to enable retrieval of the dropped rode. You certainly won't be able to easily sever the rode in an emergency otherwise. You could provide a warning near the end of the chain to alert you so you don't pay out chain to the point that the line is in danger of being stressed in case you need all the rode deployed. Steve On 7/1/2013 10:03 AM, lalicata@alum.rpi.edu wrote: > I am on the hard and just dumped my anchor chain. > My anchor chain locker is behind a water tight collision bulkhead (some 30 nits need to be taken off to get the door to the locker off) > so this is the first time I have opened it up and emptied the locker. > > My ½ inch chain is shacked to the bulkhead. > <snip> -- Steve Sipe Solo 4303 "Maerin" Middle River, MD
RC
R C Smith Jr
Mon, Jul 1, 2013 3:12 PM

Hey Lee,

I used a line to tie the bitter end of my chain to the embedded shackle in
the chain locker. Nothing fancy; I just used a line small enough to fit
though a link. In an emergency, however, I can simply open a locker door to
cut the line.

In your inaccessible situation, perhaps a use a line long enough to come up
out of the locker onto the wildcat...where you could then cut it in an
emergency.  In fact, I like that idea better than my scenario...and I will
lengthen my bitter end line next time I lean the locker.

Thanks,
Bob


Robert Calhoun Smith, Jr.
M/V MARY KATHRYN
Hatteras 58 LRC
Annapolis, Maryland

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:03 AM, lalicata@alum.rpi.edu wrote:

My ½  inch chain is shacked to the bulkhead.

I know the plus' and minus' of it being shackled.

I was thinking of putting some rope to that bitter end so that IF I have
to dump the anchor, I just cut the rope.

But then I thought how would I fasten it to the chain?
Could the rope foul the windless?
Is it even necessary?
If I put a rope, do I fasten it to the bulkhead or do I leave it un
attached...

Hey Lee, I used a line to tie the bitter end of my chain to the embedded shackle in the chain locker. Nothing fancy; I just used a line small enough to fit though a link. In an emergency, however, I can simply open a locker door to cut the line. In your inaccessible situation, perhaps a use a line long enough to come up out of the locker onto the wildcat...where you could then cut it in an emergency. In fact, I like that idea better than my scenario...and I will lengthen my bitter end line next time I lean the locker. Thanks, Bob __________________________ Robert Calhoun Smith, Jr. M/V MARY KATHRYN Hatteras 58 LRC Annapolis, Maryland On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:03 AM, <lalicata@alum.rpi.edu> wrote: > > My ½ inch chain is shacked to the bulkhead. > > I know the plus' and minus' of it being shackled. > > I was thinking of putting some rope to that bitter end so that IF I have > to dump the anchor, I just cut the rope. > > But then I thought how would I fasten it to the chain? > Could the rope foul the windless? > Is it even necessary? > If I put a rope, do I fasten it to the bulkhead or do I leave it un > attached... >
SW
Sean Welsh
Mon, Jul 1, 2013 4:46 PM

Speaking as someone who has had to jettison his anchor and all-chain
rode
(http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2013/04/a-ship-without-anchor.html), I
can attest that you definitely want enough line at the bitter end to
appear completely on deck and fully clear the wildcat/gypsy.  We have
just enough 3/4" line on our 1/2" chain rode to do just that; in order
for the line to pass easily through the gypsy, it is spliced directly to
the last link of chain with an anchor splice. The bitter end is an eye
splice shackled to a steel hull stringer.

We, too, are on the hard with all our chain out, and we will use the
opportunity to end-for-end the all-chain rode.  Thus we will be changing
out the bitter end safety line, meaning I will need to make a new pair
of splices.  A small price to pay for the peace of mind. 3/4" line is
also what we use for a snubber, so it is plenty strong to hold the chain
firmly aboard should we inadvertently run past the end of the chain.
Getting the chain back into the gypsy is fairly easy at rest, but you'd
need to motor forward at anchor to take the load off first.  Thus I
would suggest line, splices, and shackles beefy enough to hold the boat
should the worst happen and you end up swinging from it in a storm.

-Sean
m/y Vector
on the hard in Deltaville, VA

On 7/1/2013 10:03 AM, lalicata@alum.rpi.edu wrote:

I am on the hard and just dumped my anchor chain.
My anchor chain locker is behind a water tight collision bulkhead (some 30 nits need to be taken off to get the door to the locker off)
so this is the first time I have opened it up and emptied the locker.

My ½  inch chain is shacked to the bulkhead.

I know the plus' and minus' of it being shackled.

I was thinking of putting some rope to that bitter end so that IF I have to dump the anchor, I just cut the rope.

But then I thought how would I fasten it to the chain?
Could the rope foul the windless?
Is it even necessary?
If I put a rope, do I fasten it to the bulkhead or do I leave it un attached...

Thoughts?

Sorry to have to ask to rush those thoughts but this refit is scheduled for four days so do not have a lot of time to work with....

Lee

Marmaris


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Speaking as someone who has had to jettison his anchor and all-chain rode (http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2013/04/a-ship-without-anchor.html), I can attest that you definitely want enough line at the bitter end to appear completely on deck and fully clear the wildcat/gypsy. We have just enough 3/4" line on our 1/2" chain rode to do just that; in order for the line to pass easily through the gypsy, it is spliced directly to the last link of chain with an anchor splice. The bitter end is an eye splice shackled to a steel hull stringer. We, too, are on the hard with all our chain out, and we will use the opportunity to end-for-end the all-chain rode. Thus we will be changing out the bitter end safety line, meaning I will need to make a new pair of splices. A small price to pay for the peace of mind. 3/4" line is also what we use for a snubber, so it is plenty strong to hold the chain firmly aboard should we inadvertently run past the end of the chain. Getting the chain back into the gypsy is fairly easy at rest, but you'd need to motor forward at anchor to take the load off first. Thus I would suggest line, splices, and shackles beefy enough to hold the boat should the worst happen and you end up swinging from it in a storm. -Sean m/y Vector on the hard in Deltaville, VA On 7/1/2013 10:03 AM, lalicata@alum.rpi.edu wrote: > I am on the hard and just dumped my anchor chain. > My anchor chain locker is behind a water tight collision bulkhead (some 30 nits need to be taken off to get the door to the locker off) > so this is the first time I have opened it up and emptied the locker. > > My ½ inch chain is shacked to the bulkhead. > > I know the plus' and minus' of it being shackled. > > I was thinking of putting some rope to that bitter end so that IF I have to dump the anchor, I just cut the rope. > > But then I thought how would I fasten it to the chain? > Could the rope foul the windless? > Is it even necessary? > If I put a rope, do I fasten it to the bulkhead or do I leave it un attached... > > > Thoughts? > > Sorry to have to ask to rush those thoughts but this refit is scheduled for four days so do not have a lot of time to work with.... > > Lee > > Marmaris > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.