Emailed Pete at Everset about the ES100 and 200 chips and unfortunately only chip dies are available. I am good but not that good. He suggests that someday a vendor will be selling a clock and thats the only reasonable option that will be available. All in all completely unattractive, as someone is going to pay for this clever new timecode and it surely won't be me. Though if the clocks are in the $20 range thats a different discussion. Somehow I suspect its the $1000 range. No honest clue though. So clearly not a useful path to d-psk the wwvb or actually anything else. Tom so much for the predictive approach at least to a point. Regards Paul. WB8TSL

Hi If you want to go a bit crazy, there are places that will package up die for you. Depending on the resulting package, cost is in the $0.30 to $20 per part range. Most of the places will hit you with a ~ $500 setup charge and are unlikely to deal in less than 1,000 piece lots (unless things are really slow - not the case right now). If it’s a part that will fit in a “normal” ceramic DIP package, you *might* be able to manually wire bond it. Your local university it a good place to scout around for somebody with the gear to do the job. It’s not all that hard to do. It’s a “case of beer” sort of deal to get a handful of parts done. That assumes you can find the right guy and pay for the packages. There are a *lot* of them doing short run ASIC’s these days and they have to try them out somehow. The MPW run costs them < $5K so they don’t spend a lot on the packaging. Bob On Jul 2, 2014, at 12:49 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > Emailed Pete at Everset about the ES100 and 200 chips and unfortunately > only chip dies are available. I am good but not that good. > He suggests that someday a vendor will be selling a clock and thats the > only reasonable option that will be available. > All in all completely unattractive, as someone is going to pay for this > clever new timecode and it surely won't be me. > Though if the clocks are in the $20 range thats a different discussion. > Somehow I suspect its the $1000 range. No honest clue though. > So clearly not a useful path to d-psk the wwvb or actually anything else. > Tom so much for the predictive approach at least to a point. > Regards > Paul. > WB8TSL > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

Bob Funny you mention that. I actually have a remote chance of actually doing that. I know a guy who knows a guy... I really don't want to get tangled in that total distraction actually. The value of the chip in at least a predictive wwvb d-psk-r is that you could easily obtain the nasty DST data. As I have only recently realized due to some pushing from Tom thats the mess not the 31 bit timecode. Quite the surprise actually. The everset chips actually don't give you useful things that you need like raw wwvb carrier or much else. So you are only leveraging the message for the dst clues. Lot of pain for little gain. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > Hi > > If you want to go a bit crazy, there are places that will package up die > for you. Depending on the resulting package, cost is in the $0.30 to $20 > per part range. Most of the places will hit you with a ~ $500 setup charge > and are unlikely to deal in less than 1,000 piece lots (unless things are > really slow - not the case right now). > > If it’s a part that will fit in a “normal” ceramic DIP package, you > *might* be able to manually wire bond it. Your local university it a good > place to scout around for somebody with the gear to do the job. It’s not > all that hard to do. It’s a “case of beer” sort of deal to get a handful of > parts done. That assumes you can find the right guy and pay for the > packages. There are a *lot* of them doing short run ASIC’s these days and > they have to try them out somehow. The MPW run costs them < $5K so they > don’t spend a lot on the packaging. > > Bob > > On Jul 2, 2014, at 12:49 PM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Emailed Pete at Everset about the ES100 and 200 chips and unfortunately > > only chip dies are available. I am good but not that good. > > He suggests that someday a vendor will be selling a clock and thats the > > only reasonable option that will be available. > > All in all completely unattractive, as someone is going to pay for this > > clever new timecode and it surely won't be me. > > Though if the clocks are in the $20 range thats a different discussion. > > Somehow I suspect its the $1000 range. No honest clue though. > > So clearly not a useful path to d-psk the wwvb or actually anything else. > > Tom so much for the predictive approach at least to a point. > > Regards > > Paul. > > WB8TSL > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

In message <CAD2JfAhoCx5NYhmzjgRgwB4OLjaWUMVWM7fvOcyM_Y6AgAAqFg@mail.gmail.com>, paul swed writes: >Though if the clocks are in the $20 range thats a different discussion. >Somehow I suspect its the $1000 range. No honest clue though. In europe a Swiss company put a weather-transmission on DCF77 and sells the propriety chips to decode it. The eval board is EUR95 and I bet. See for instance: http://www.fact4ward.com/blog/meteotime/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

that is all the market will bear.

In message <23298.1404324804@critter.freebsd.dk>, "Poul-Henning Kamp" writes: >In message <CAD2JfAhoCx5NYhmzjgRgwB4OLjaWUMVWM7fvOcyM_Y6AgAAqFg@mail.gmail.com>, paul swed writes: > >>Though if the clocks are in the $20 range thats a different discussion. >>Somehow I suspect its the $1000 range. No honest clue though. > >In europe a Swiss company put a weather-transmission on DCF77 and sells >the propriety chips to decode it. The eval board is EUR95 and I bet. Sorry, deleted the next line by accident that is all the market will bear. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.