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John M McIntosh

Fri, Jun 11, 2010 5:43 AM

Well I was hoping to have a few more days to settle things.

The Smalltalk community should take a deep bow and thank Alan Kay for spending many hours talking to the highest level of people at Apple about the importance of the iPad as a platform to teach computational theory to people of all ages.

So how does this all sort out? Well I don't know, nothing has officially changed, yet...

But I'm at WWDC this week, I did talk to the manager of the App Store (they were expecting me) and I do have an appointment with Apple next week to discuss the "Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing"

Once that happens I will let everyone know the outcome, Apple is working what the approval process is, and I think the Smalltalk & Scratch community will be the first players in the door for Apple's embracing of interpreted languages for educational purposes on the iPad.

I must publicly thank the Smalltalk and Scratch communities for being patient and polite in waiting for the issue to resolve itself, and true thanks should be directed to Alan for his behind the scenes efforts in ensuring the Computer Science community has equal footing with the language arts & music departments for apps on the iPad.

I caution everyone that we're not there yet, but let's see what happens next week, so don't open the champaign bottles yet.

On 2010-06-10, at 7:40 PM, Lawson English wrote:

Does this change the status of Scratch on iphone any?

http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/

Lawson

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John M. McIntosh johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882
Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com

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Well I was hoping to have a few more days to settle things. The Smalltalk community should take a deep bow and thank Alan Kay for spending many hours talking to the highest level of people at Apple about the importance of the iPad as a platform to teach computational theory to people of all ages. So how does this all sort out? Well I don't know, nothing has officially changed, yet... But I'm at WWDC this week, I did talk to the manager of the App Store (they were expecting me) and I do have an appointment with Apple next week to discuss the "Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing" Once that happens I will let everyone know the outcome, Apple is working what the approval process is, and I think the Smalltalk & Scratch community will be the first players in the door for Apple's embracing of interpreted languages for educational purposes on the iPad. I must publicly thank the Smalltalk and Scratch communities for being patient and polite in waiting for the issue to resolve itself, and true thanks should be directed to Alan for his behind the scenes efforts in ensuring the Computer Science community has equal footing with the language arts & music departments for apps on the iPad. I caution everyone that we're not there yet, but let's see what happens next week, so don't open the champaign bottles yet. On 2010-06-10, at 7:40 PM, Lawson English wrote: > Does this change the status of Scratch on iphone any? > > http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/ > > > Lawson -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

GM

Graham McLeod

Fri, Jun 11, 2010 7:59 AM

Hi John

I think our thanks as the Smalltalk community are also due to yourself
for your continued professional and mature endeavors in resolving this
matter, hopefully in a positive way.

What I would love to see as a development from our computer science
faction is a Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk VM that could efficiently run on top
of the java script virtual machines in current browsers. This would
allow us to deploy apps on just about any platform with zero client
footprint. There was an effort in this direction at Sun, which I believe
was then passed on to Hasso Platner.

Thanks!
Graham

John M McIntosh wrote:

Well I was hoping to have a few more days to settle things.

The Smalltalk community should take a deep bow and thank Alan Kay for spending many hours talking to the highest level of people at Apple about the importance of the iPad as a platform to teach computational theory to people of all ages.

So how does this all sort out? Well I don't know, nothing has officially changed, yet...

But I'm at WWDC this week, I did talk to the manager of the App Store (they were expecting me) and I do have an appointment with Apple next week to discuss the "Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing"

Once that happens I will let everyone know the outcome, Apple is working what the approval process is, and I think the Smalltalk& Scratch community will be the first players in the door for Apple's embracing of interpreted languages for educational purposes on the iPad.

I must publicly thank the Smalltalk and Scratch communities for being patient and polite in waiting for the issue to resolve itself, and true thanks should be directed to Alan for his behind the scenes efforts in ensuring the Computer Science community has equal footing with the language arts& music departments for apps on the iPad.

I caution everyone that we're not there yet, but let's see what happens next week, so don't open the champaign bottles yet.

On 2010-06-10, at 7:40 PM, Lawson English wrote:

Does this change the status of Scratch on iphone any?

http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/

Lawson

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Hi John I think our thanks as the Smalltalk community are also due to yourself for your continued professional and mature endeavors in resolving this matter, hopefully in a positive way. What I would love to see as a development from our computer science faction is a Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk VM that could efficiently run on top of the java script virtual machines in current browsers. This would allow us to deploy apps on just about any platform with zero client footprint. There was an effort in this direction at Sun, which I believe was then passed on to Hasso Platner. Thanks! Graham John M McIntosh wrote: > Well I was hoping to have a few more days to settle things. > > The Smalltalk community should take a deep bow and thank Alan Kay for spending many hours talking to the highest level of people at Apple about the importance of the iPad as a platform to teach computational theory to people of all ages. > > So how does this all sort out? Well I don't know, nothing has officially changed, yet... > > But I'm at WWDC this week, I did talk to the manager of the App Store (they were expecting me) and I do have an appointment with Apple next week to discuss the "Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing" > > Once that happens I will let everyone know the outcome, Apple is working what the approval process is, and I think the Smalltalk& Scratch community will be the first players in the door for Apple's embracing of interpreted languages for educational purposes on the iPad. > > I must publicly thank the Smalltalk and Scratch communities for being patient and polite in waiting for the issue to resolve itself, and true thanks should be directed to Alan for his behind the scenes efforts in ensuring the Computer Science community has equal footing with the language arts& music departments for apps on the iPad. > > I caution everyone that we're not there yet, but let's see what happens next week, so don't open the champaign bottles yet. > > On 2010-06-10, at 7:40 PM, Lawson English wrote: > > >> Does this change the status of Scratch on iphone any? >> >> http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/ >> >> >> Lawson >> > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh<johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >

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Michael Haupt

Fri, Jun 11, 2010 8:52 AM

Hi Graham,

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Graham McLeod mcleod@iafrica.com wrote:

What I would love to see as a development from our computer science faction
is a Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk VM that could efficiently run on top of the java
script virtual machines in current browsers. This would allow us to deploy
apps on just about any platform with zero client footprint. There was an
effort in this direction at Sun, which I believe was then passed on to Hasso
Platner.

I presume you mean Lively - it was not passed on to Hasso Plattner
himself, but to the Software Architecture Group at
Hasso-Plattner-Institut: http://lively-kernel.org/

Best,

Michael

Hi Graham, On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Graham McLeod <mcleod@iafrica.com> wrote: > What I would love to see as a development from our computer science faction > is a Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk VM that could efficiently run on top of the java > script virtual machines in current browsers. This would allow us to deploy > apps on just about any platform with zero client footprint. There was an > effort in this direction at Sun, which I believe was then passed on to Hasso > Platner. I presume you mean Lively - it was not passed on to Hasso Plattner himself, but to the Software Architecture Group at Hasso-Plattner-Institut: http://lively-kernel.org/ Best, Michael

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Noury Bouraqadi

Fri, Jun 11, 2010 8:56 AM

Thanks John and Alan for your efforts.

Noury
On 11 juin 2010, at 07:43, John M McIntosh wrote:

Well I was hoping to have a few more days to settle things.

The Smalltalk community should take a deep bow and thank Alan Kay for spending many hours talking to the highest level of people at Apple about the importance of the iPad as a platform to teach computational theory to people of all ages.

So how does this all sort out? Well I don't know, nothing has officially changed, yet...

But I'm at WWDC this week, I did talk to the manager of the App Store (they were expecting me) and I do have an appointment with Apple next week to discuss the "Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing"

Once that happens I will let everyone know the outcome, Apple is working what the approval process is, and I think the Smalltalk & Scratch community will be the first players in the door for Apple's embracing of interpreted languages for educational purposes on the iPad.

I must publicly thank the Smalltalk and Scratch communities for being patient and polite in waiting for the issue to resolve itself, and true thanks should be directed to Alan for his behind the scenes efforts in ensuring the Computer Science community has equal footing with the language arts & music departments for apps on the iPad.

I caution everyone that we're not there yet, but let's see what happens next week, so don't open the champaign bottles yet.

On 2010-06-10, at 7:40 PM, Lawson English wrote:

Does this change the status of Scratch on iphone any?

http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/

Lawson

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Thanks John and Alan for your efforts. Noury On 11 juin 2010, at 07:43, John M McIntosh wrote: > Well I was hoping to have a few more days to settle things. > > The Smalltalk community should take a deep bow and thank Alan Kay for spending many hours talking to the highest level of people at Apple about the importance of the iPad as a platform to teach computational theory to people of all ages. > > So how does this all sort out? Well I don't know, nothing has officially changed, yet... > > But I'm at WWDC this week, I did talk to the manager of the App Store (they were expecting me) and I do have an appointment with Apple next week to discuss the "Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing" > > Once that happens I will let everyone know the outcome, Apple is working what the approval process is, and I think the Smalltalk & Scratch community will be the first players in the door for Apple's embracing of interpreted languages for educational purposes on the iPad. > > I must publicly thank the Smalltalk and Scratch communities for being patient and polite in waiting for the issue to resolve itself, and true thanks should be directed to Alan for his behind the scenes efforts in ensuring the Computer Science community has equal footing with the language arts & music departments for apps on the iPad. > > I caution everyone that we're not there yet, but let's see what happens next week, so don't open the champaign bottles yet. > > On 2010-06-10, at 7:40 PM, Lawson English wrote: > >> Does this change the status of Scratch on iphone any? >> >> http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/ >> >> >> Lawson > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

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Serge Stinckwich

Fri, Jun 11, 2010 9:08 AM

Thank you Alan&John for your great job !
I will maybe buy an ipad and i would love to do some Squeak/Pharo
activities in this platform.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:43 PM, John M McIntosh
johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com wrote:

Well I was hoping to have a few more days to settle things.

The Smalltalk community should take a deep bow and thank Alan Kay for spending many hours talking to the highest level of people at Apple about the importance of the iPad as a platform to teach computational theory to people of all ages.

So how does this all sort out? Well I don't know, nothing has officially changed, yet...

But I'm at WWDC this week, I did talk to the manager of the App Store (they were expecting me) and I do have an appointment with Apple next week to discuss the "Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing"

Once that happens I will let everyone know the outcome, Apple is working what the approval process is, and I think the Smalltalk & Scratch community will be the first players in the door for Apple's embracing of interpreted languages for educational purposes on the iPad.

I must publicly thank the Smalltalk and Scratch communities for being patient and polite in waiting for the issue to resolve itself, and true thanks should be directed to Alan for his behind the scenes efforts in ensuring the Computer Science community has equal footing with the language arts & music departments for apps on the iPad.

I caution everyone that we're not there yet, but let's see what happens next week, so don't open the champaign bottles yet.

On 2010-06-10, at 7:40 PM, Lawson English wrote:

Does this change the status of Scratch on iphone any?

http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/

Lawson

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Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Thank you Alan&John for your great job ! I will maybe buy an ipad and i would love to do some Squeak/Pharo activities in this platform. On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:43 PM, John M McIntosh <johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote: > Well I was hoping to have a few more days to settle things. > > The Smalltalk community should take a deep bow and thank Alan Kay for spending many hours talking to the highest level of people at Apple about the importance of the iPad as a platform to teach computational theory to people of all ages. > > So how does this all sort out? Well I don't know, nothing has officially changed, yet... > > But I'm at WWDC this week, I did talk to the manager of the App Store (they were expecting me) and I do have an appointment with Apple next week to discuss the "Unless otherwise approved by Apple in writing" > > Once that happens I will let everyone know the outcome, Apple is working what the approval process is, and I think the Smalltalk & Scratch community will be the first players in the door for Apple's embracing of interpreted languages for educational purposes on the iPad. > > I must publicly thank the Smalltalk and Scratch communities for being patient and polite in waiting for the issue to resolve itself, and true thanks should be directed to Alan for his behind the scenes efforts in ensuring the Computer Science community has equal footing with the language arts & music departments for apps on the iPad. > > I caution everyone that we're not there yet, but let's see what happens next week, so don't open the champaign bottles yet. > > On 2010-06-10, at 7:40 PM, Lawson English wrote: > >> Does this change the status of Scratch on iphone any? >> >> http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/ >> >> >> Lawson > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

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