Birders, Thought I'd mention these two species as 1 is getting close to being a decent Winter List bird (in 2 days) and the other is still a decent bird for this area (although I had a Raven over my house in Richmond Hill just a week ago). The TUVU seemed to limp a bit and definitely had frost on it's wings, not sure how healthy it is. The Vulture & Ravens were on the ground at a cattle farm at the top end of Islington where it meets King-Vaughan Sdrd, the farm is on the SE corner of this intersection and most easily seen from King-Vaughan. This seems to be a hangout for vultures throughout the breeding season, I'm assuming that there must be dead cattle in the area as I've seen upwards of 40 TUVUs in this area this past summer. Good birding, Frank Pinills Richmond Hill, ON -- Sent from my mobile device