The definition implies that it is not a profit making buisness but regardless, in common usage associations are generally not for profit. Also, direct from the site:   "America's Great Loop Cruisers' Association (AGLCA)TM is an organization of people"   But the people who make up the organization don't own or control it like typical associations   Even industry associations are typically held seperate from profit making ventures. While I suspect it originally met the common usage of the term, it has since changed and if honesty is to prevail, it would be best to be up front that they are a for profit company using crowd sourcing to compile the information they diseminate. Look to Active Captain for a similar crowd sourcing approach but they make no effort to appear as a non-profit.   Ultimately, the biggest thing that turned us off is the value for the cost. We aren't into formal rendevous and there is no reason the cost of putting those on can't be included in the direct cost of the rendevous. At the time, I believe it was around $40/yr for access to what was basically a forum (since gone up to $59/yr). We tried it for a year got our flag and then let it drop as we just didn't see the value.   Mike & Tammy Valhalla II

No organization will survive if it does not provide reasonable value for the cost! AGLCA is no different! Mac Macdonald AGLCA - Charter #217 Oklahoma City, OK Sent from my iPad On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:16, "M S" <valhalla360@yahoo.com> wrote: > The definition implies that it is not a profit making buisness but regardless, in common usage associations are generally not for profit. Also, direct from the site: > > "America's Great Loop Cruisers' Association (AGLCA)TM is an organization of people" > > But the people who make up the organization don't own or control it like typical associations > > Even industry associations are typically held seperate from profit making ventures. While I suspect it originally met the common usage of the term, it has since changed and if honesty is to prevail, it would be best to be up front that they are a for profit company using crowd sourcing to compile the information they diseminate. Look to Active Captain for a similar crowd sourcing approach but they make no effort to appear as a non-profit. > > Ultimately, the biggest thing that turned us off is the value for the cost. We aren't into formal rendevous and there is no reason the cost of putting those on can't be included in the direct cost of the rendevous. At the time, I believe it was around $40/yr for access to what was basically a forum (since gone up to $59/yr). We tried it for a year got our flag and then let it drop as we just didn't see the value. > > Mike & Tammy > Valhalla II > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

Good response Mike. Note also that they use the .org domain instead of the .com that companies traditionally use. GreatLoop.com is taken by the Stobs to sell their books. R. Our blog is http://www.SayGood-Bye.com SayGoodbye FOR SALE: http://www.alphacompservices.com/Boat/ForSale/SayGoodbyeForSale.htm Youtube channel for the videos www.youtube.com/user/ralphyost1 Say Good-Bye 41 Defever -----Original Message----- From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of M S Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:16 AM To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Subject: Re: GL: GL list is the best The definition implies that it is not a profit making buisness but regardless, in common usage associations are generally not for profit. Also, direct from the site:   "America's Great Loop Cruisers' Association (AGLCA)TM is an organization of people"   But the people who make up the organization don't own or control it like typical associations   Even industry associations are typically held seperate from profit making ventures. While I suspect it originally met the common usage of the term, it has since changed and if honesty is to prevail, it would be best to be up front that they are a for profit company using crowd sourcing to compile the information they diseminate. Look to Active Captain for a similar crowd sourcing approach but they make no effort to appear as a non-profit.   Ultimately, the biggest thing that turned us off is the value for the cost. We aren't into formal rendevous and there is no reason the cost of putting those on can't be included in the direct cost of the rendevous. At the time, I believe it was around $40/yr for access to what was basically a forum (since gone up to $59/yr). We tried it for a year got our flag and then let it drop as we just didn't see the value.   Mike & Tammy Valhalla II _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

Ralph, Mike and List, OK what domain name should the Kromers use for AGLCA. The Stobs kept the .com leaving the Kromers to use the .org? Certainly could not use the .gov designation. From my point of view as an Advertising, Marketing Communications and Public Relations professional for more than 40 years, I know of NO LEGAL requirement for an Organization or Association to be ABSOLUTELY A NOT FOR PROFIT group. The .org surely denotes a commercial identity which clearly identifies the AGLCA as group of "associated members", so why accuse the Kromers as being deceptive, deceitful or untruthful? Note that our eMail domain address is: <jjgill@twojscom.com> Our company is Two J's Communications (a .com address). John and Judy Gill Delaware River Sail & Power Squadron, D/5 Two J’s V, a 36 ft. Carver Mariner Slip E-26, Sassafras Harbor Marina, Georgetown, MD AGLCA Life Members, Gold Flag Loopers AGLCA Harbor Hosts for the Northern Chesapeake Bay USPS Life Members & CPS-ECP Members eMail: < jjgill@twojscom.com > Website: <http://www.twojscom.com/GreatLoop/> ================================================= On Jul 10, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Ralph Yost wrote: > Good response Mike. > > Note also that they use the .org domain instead of the .com that companies > traditionally use. > GreatLoop.com is taken by the Stobs to sell their books. > > R. > > Our blog is > http://www.SayGood-Bye.com > > SayGoodbye FOR SALE: > http://www.alphacompservices.com/Boat/ForSale/SayGoodbyeForSale.htm > Youtube channel for the videos > www.youtube.com/user/ralphyost1 > Say Good-Bye > 41 Defever > > -----Original Message----- > From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf > Of M S > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:16 AM > To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com > Subject: Re: GL: GL list is the best > > The definition implies that it is not a profit making buisness but > regardless, in common usage associations are generally not for profit. Also, > direct from the site: > > "America's Great Loop Cruisers' Association (AGLCA)TM is an organization of > people" > > But the people who make up the organization don't own or control it like > typical associations > > Even industry associations are typically held seperate from profit making > ventures. While I suspect it originally met the common usage of the term, it > has since changed and if honesty is to prevail, it would be best to be up > front that they are a for profit company using crowd sourcing to compile the > information they diseminate. Look to Active Captain for a similar crowd > sourcing approach but they make no effort to appear as a non-profit. > > Ultimately, the biggest thing that turned us off is the value for the cost. > We aren't into formal rendevous and there is no reason the cost of putting > those on can't be included in the direct cost of the rendevous. At the time, > I believe it was around $40/yr for access to what was basically a forum > (since gone up to $59/yr). We tried it for a year got our flag and then let > it drop as we just didn't see the value. > > Mike & Tammy > Valhalla II > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

I had some further thoughts about AGLCA after reading remarks made here. The thing that make the loop affiliation different from other boating organizations, is that many folks are probably short term members with one time specialized interests. MTOA and other groups have members that are interested in more general topic areas. The stay members long time through various phases of their boating life. The membership hosts newsletters and rendezvous that the members themselves create and manage. Those doing the loop in current and future years need someone to do the organization for them. I attended all the rendezvous in my looper year and found them very beneficial in previewing areas to come and meeting boaters with whom you will associate over the next year. Boaters are busy actually doing the loop and don't have time to organize a rendezvous. I stopped being a member after my loop year. I belong to too many paid groups now. AGLCA is too focused on looping to warrant another paid membership. I have often felt that I could be a resource to AGLCA membership by contributing to the forums but am not willing to pay a fee to do so. I have been offered lifetime membership for $147 but have declined. I think gold loopers should get lifetime membership for free. It's a benefit that was paid for through attendance at very Expensive rendezvous. I am on the little loop right now and proudly fly my gold burgee to notify other loopers of my common interest and experience. I also think I should be able to replace my tattered gold burgee without being a current member On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:16 > _____________________________________________