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BL
Bruce Lane
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 1:21 AM
Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me.

With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions.

http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

Keep the peace(es).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"

Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions. http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) Keep the peace(es). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"
NJ
Neon John
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 1:50 AM

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:21:28 -0700, "Bruce Lane"
kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com wrote:

http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

That's absurd but if you want to delve into the tin-foil hat areas,
google for "speaker cable ager."  I just can't bring myself to do so.

In short, some of the tin-foil hat types claim that a speaker cable
has to be aged with pink noise (the spectrum of which is vigorously
debated) before connecting to the system.  A few companies sell aging
boxes and several others offer the 'service'.  There also seems to be
some debate on whether the pink noise has to actually pass a current
through the cable or if its just being there is enough to do the
aging.

At that same altitude of looniness - waaaaaay out there - is the $50K
turntable where the works float on a pool of mercury contained in a
hollowed out lake on the top of about 2 tons of solid marble block.  I
used to have the URL to this thing but I can't seem to find it.

Oh, and while we're at it, there's a company manufacturing (for about
$80 each) beeswax paper capacitors like we grew to know and hate in
old tube-type stuff.  When I do a period-correct restoration of an old
radio I hollow out these damnable caps and put something modern
inside.  The loonies claim these old paper caps are more "colorful"
even if it's only used as a screen bypass cap.

John

John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words:
Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope.  -Churchill

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:21:28 -0700, "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com> wrote: > http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 > > I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) That's absurd but if you want to delve into the tin-foil hat areas, google for "speaker cable ager." I just can't bring myself to do so. In short, some of the tin-foil hat types claim that a speaker cable has to be aged with pink noise (the spectrum of which is vigorously debated) before connecting to the system. A few companies sell aging boxes and several others offer the 'service'. There also seems to be some debate on whether the pink noise has to actually pass a current through the cable or if its just being there is enough to do the aging. At that same altitude of looniness - waaaaaay out there - is the $50K turntable where the works float on a pool of mercury contained in a hollowed out lake on the top of about 2 tons of solid marble block. I used to have the URL to this thing but I can't seem to find it. Oh, and while we're at it, there's a company manufacturing (for about $80 each) beeswax paper capacitors like we grew to know and hate in old tube-type stuff. When I do a period-correct restoration of an old radio I hollow out these damnable caps and put something modern inside. The loonies claim these old paper caps are more "colorful" even if it's only used as a screen bypass cap. John --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com Cleveland, Occupied TN All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill
DB
Dr Bruce Griffiths
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 2:12 AM

Neon John wrote:

At that same altitude of looniness - waaaaaay out there - is the $50K
turntable where the works float on a pool of mercury contained in a
hollowed out lake on the top of about 2 tons of solid marble block.  I
used to have the URL to this thing but I can't seem to find it.

John

Whoever devised that had probably breathed too much mercury vapour.
Mercury pools are exquisitely sensitive to seismic and traffic vibrations.
The usual way around this is to use a thin layer of mercury possibly with an oil film on top.
When used in a parabolic dish and spun up using airbearing drive a thin mercury film makes a high quality transit telescope.

Bruce

Neon John wrote: > At that same altitude of looniness - waaaaaay out there - is the $50K > turntable where the works float on a pool of mercury contained in a > hollowed out lake on the top of about 2 tons of solid marble block. I > used to have the URL to this thing but I can't seem to find it. > > John Whoever devised that had probably breathed too much mercury vapour. Mercury pools are exquisitely sensitive to seismic and traffic vibrations. The usual way around this is to use a thin layer of mercury possibly with an oil film on top. When used in a parabolic dish and spun up using airbearing drive a thin mercury film makes a high quality transit telescope. Bruce
DD
Dr. David Kirkby
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 2:32 AM

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote:

Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me.

With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions.

http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

Keep the peace(es).

Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in
Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so
funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site.

http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: > Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. > > With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions. > > http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 > > I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) > > Keep the peace(es). Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf
BL
Bruce Lane
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 4:15 AM
Thanks, Dave. Archived and stored. ;-)

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 20-Apr-07 at 03:32 Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote:

Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things

like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never
fail to amuse me.

With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I

feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the
peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions.

http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

Keep the peace(es).

Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in
Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so
funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site.

http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf


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Thanks, Dave. Archived and stored. ;-) *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 20-Apr-07 at 03:32 Dr. David Kirkby wrote: >On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: >> Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things >like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never >fail to amuse me. >> >> With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I >feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the >peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions. >> >> http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 >> >> I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) >> >> Keep the peace(es). > > >Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in >Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so >funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. > > >http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf > > > >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list >time-nuts@febo.com >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"
JP
John Pettitt
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 5:03 AM

Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote:

Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me.

With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions.

http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

Keep the peace(es).

Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in
Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so
funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site.

http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf

I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm

and in case anybody still needs convincing

http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420

"*Harmonic Technology Fantasy

*In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it
is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with
ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good
too."

Excuse me while I gag.  $900 for a par of 3m wires!

John

Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: > >> Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. >> >> With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions. >> >> http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 >> >> I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) >> >> Keep the peace(es). >> > > > Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in > Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so > funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. > > > http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf > > I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm and in case anybody still needs convincing http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420 "*Harmonic Technology Fantasy *In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good too." Excuse me while I gag. $900 for a par of 3m wires! John
TA
Thomas A. Frank
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 5:43 AM

Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in
Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so
funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site.

Wonderful!  Many thanks for that.

My favorite story in this department involved a visit to a friend who
was one of 'those people'.

So, to test his critical listening skills vis-a-vis the quality of his
multi-thousands of dollars in equipment,
we had him put on his favorite, best source, sit and listen while we
adjusted the controls on the set until he
said we had gotten the sound just perfect.

We switched back and forth, once we had the setting he thought sounded
best, to what he had argued was best.

The debate had been between whether the tone settings should be flat or
not.  Didn't matter.

The setting he thought sounded far and away the best?  Mono

We were never regaled with stories of his superb equipment or critical
listening again.

Tom Frank

> Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in > Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so > funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. Wonderful! Many thanks for that. My favorite story in this department involved a visit to a friend who was one of 'those people'. So, to test his critical listening skills vis-a-vis the quality of his multi-thousands of dollars in equipment, we had him put on his favorite, best source, sit and listen while we adjusted the controls on the set until he said we had gotten the sound just perfect. We switched back and forth, once we had the setting he thought sounded best, to what he had argued was best. The debate had been between whether the tone settings should be flat or not. Didn't matter. The setting he thought sounded far and away the best? *Mono* We were never regaled with stories of his superb equipment or critical listening again. Tom Frank
DF
David Forbes
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 6:53 AM

At 10:03 PM -0700 4/19/07, John Pettitt wrote:

Excuse me while I gag.  $900 for a par of 3m wires!

John

I actually have heard a difference in speaker cables once - albeit in
a system with six woofers wired in parallel. The resulting 2 ohm
impedance required a serious Phase Linear 800 watt amplifier and some
really big speaker cables to sound half-decent. These speakers,
driven by a 100W consumer Kenwood amp and/or 16 gauge zip cord,
sounded rather thin.

Of course, the solution was 12 gauge zip cord that cost 15 cents per foot.

--

--David Forbes, Tucson, AZ
http://www.cathodecorner.com/

At 10:03 PM -0700 4/19/07, John Pettitt wrote: > >Excuse me while I gag. $900 for a par of 3m wires! > >John I actually have heard a difference in speaker cables once - albeit in a system with six woofers wired in parallel. The resulting 2 ohm impedance required a serious Phase Linear 800 watt amplifier and some really big speaker cables to sound half-decent. These speakers, driven by a 100W consumer Kenwood amp and/or 16 gauge zip cord, sounded rather thin. Of course, the solution was 12 gauge zip cord that cost 15 cents per foot. -- --David Forbes, Tucson, AZ http://www.cathodecorner.com/
RK
Rob Kimberley
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 7:15 AM

Wow, got to get one!!!!

:-)

Rob K

PS just goes to show how stupid a lot of people are out there in ga ga land.

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Bruce Lane
Sent: 20 April 2007 02:21
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things

like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never
fail to amuse me.

With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope

Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one
of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions.

http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

Keep the peace(es).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies --
http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If
Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal
ports?"


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Wow, got to get one!!!! :-) Rob K PS just goes to show how stupid a lot of people are out there in ga ga land. -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Lane Sent: 20 April 2007 02:21 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions. http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) Keep the peace(es). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
MD
Magnus Danielson
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 7:59 AM

From: John Pettitt jpp@cloudview.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:03:22 -0700
Message-ID: 4628499A.7070206@cloudview.com

Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote:

Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me.

With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions.

http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

Keep the peace(es).

Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in
Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so
funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site.

http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf

I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm

and in case anybody still needs convincing

http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420

"*Harmonic Technology Fantasy

*In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it
is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with
ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good
too."

Excuse me while I gag.  $900 for a par of 3m wires!

I'm just awaiting that the heavy water cables is showing up. $900 for a pair of
3m wires is a bargain! :P

Dead-sea saltwater would probably make better conductors thought.

Cheers,
Magnus

From: John Pettitt <jpp@cloudview.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:03:22 -0700 Message-ID: <4628499A.7070206@cloudview.com> > Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: > > > >> Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. > >> > >> With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions. > >> > >> http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 > >> > >> I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) > >> > >> Keep the peace(es). > >> > > > > > > Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in > > Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so > > funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. > > > > > > http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf > > > > > I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm > > and in case anybody still needs convincing > > http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420 > > "*Harmonic Technology Fantasy > > *In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it > is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with > ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good > too." > > Excuse me while I gag. $900 for a par of 3m wires! I'm just awaiting that the heavy water cables is showing up. $900 for a pair of 3m wires is a bargain! :P Dead-sea saltwater would probably make better conductors thought. Cheers, Magnus
BH
Bill Hawkins
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 8:30 AM

Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature
to want to be part of a group that is somehow better than other groups.
That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time.

Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even
time-nuts. Some of the things they believe do not seem rational.
Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are
kind of high.

You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to
increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in
religion and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no
one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to
keep up with the group.

I am not now and never have been an audiophile. It just bothers me
when someone writes off complex human behavior with a single epithet.

Bill Hawkins

... who can't sleep and probably shouldn't have written this. It is
not an attack on Mr. Kimberly, whose posts have been a fount of
information.

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Rob Kimberley
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:15 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

Wow, got to get one!!!!

:-)

Rob K

PS just goes to show how stupid a lot of people are out there in ga ga
land.

Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature to want to be part of a group that is somehow better than other groups. That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time. Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even time-nuts. Some of the things they believe do not seem rational. Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are kind of high. You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in religion and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to keep up with the group. I am not now and never have been an audiophile. It just bothers me when someone writes off complex human behavior with a single epithet. Bill Hawkins ... who can't sleep and probably shouldn't have written this. It is not an attack on Mr. Kimberly, whose posts have been a fount of information. -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:15 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery Wow, got to get one!!!! :-) Rob K PS just goes to show how stupid a lot of people are out there in ga ga land.
JB
Jeroen Bastemeijer
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 9:06 AM

.... I can't sleep either. I'm not allowed to, because I'm at work  ;-)

Funny thing those time-zones. Certainly in combination with groups (in
this case the time-nuts) which gather worldwide through the internet!

Regards, Jeroen

Bill Hawkins wrote:

Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature
to want to be part of a group that is somehow better than other groups.
That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time.

Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even
time-nuts. Some of the things they believe do not seem rational.
Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are
kind of high.

You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to
increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in
religion and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no
one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to
keep up with the group.

I am not now and never have been an audiophile. It just bothers me
when someone writes off complex human behavior with a single epithet.

Bill Hawkins

... who can't sleep and probably shouldn't have written this. It is
not an attack on Mr. Kimberly, whose posts have been a fount of
information.

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Rob Kimberley
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:15 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

Wow, got to get one!!!!

:-)

Rob K

PS just goes to show how stupid a lot of people are out there in ga ga
land.


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.... I can't sleep either. I'm not allowed to, because I'm at work ;-) Funny thing those time-zones. Certainly in combination with groups (in this case the time-nuts) which gather worldwide through the internet! Regards, Jeroen Bill Hawkins wrote: >Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature >to want to be part of a group that is somehow better than other groups. >That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time. > >Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even >time-nuts. Some of the things they believe do not seem rational. >Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are >kind of high. > >You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to >increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in >religion and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no >one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to >keep up with the group. > >I am not now and never have been an audiophile. It just bothers me >when someone writes off complex human behavior with a single epithet. > >Bill Hawkins > >... who can't sleep and probably shouldn't have written this. It is >not an attack on Mr. Kimberly, whose posts have been a fount of >information. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On >Behalf Of Rob Kimberley >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:15 AM >To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery > >Wow, got to get one!!!! > >:-) > >Rob K > >PS just goes to show how stupid a lot of people are out there in ga ga >land. > > > >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list >time-nuts@febo.com >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > > -- Ing. Jeroen Bastemeijer Delft University of Technology Department of Electrical Engineering Electronic Instrumentation Laboratory Mekelweg 4, Room 13.090 2628 CD Delft The Netherlands Phone: +31.15.27.86542 Fax: +31.15.27.85755 E-mail: J.Bastemeijer@TUDelft.nl GPS: Lat N52.00002 Lon E4.37157 Alt 46.2m
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Rasputin Novgorod
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 1:18 PM

Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature
to want to be part of a group that is somehow better than other
groups.
That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time.

Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even
time-nuts. Some of the things they believe do not seem rational.
Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are
kind of high.

You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to
increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in
religion and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no
one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to
keep up with the group.

Hmm.  ...and I just bought a set of three Chef's knives for my
kitchen for $500.
/b


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> Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature > to want to be part of a group that is somehow better than other > groups. > That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time. > > Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even > time-nuts. Some of the things they believe do not seem rational. > Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are > kind of high. > > You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to > increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in > religion and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no > one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to > keep up with the group. Hmm. ...and I just bought a set of three Chef's knives for my kitchen for $500. /b __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Rob Kimberley
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 5:46 PM

Bill,

Sorry if my sense of humour went astray.

Cheers

Rob Kimberley

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Hawkins
Sent: 20 April 2007 09:31
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature to want
to be part of a group that is somehow better than other groups.
That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time.

Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even time-nuts.
Some of the things they believe do not seem rational.
Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are kind of
high.

You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to
increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in religion
and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no one in this group
that has bought an expensive instrument just to keep up with the group.

I am not now and never have been an audiophile. It just bothers me when
someone writes off complex human behavior with a single epithet.

Bill Hawkins

... who can't sleep and probably shouldn't have written this. It is not an
attack on Mr. Kimberly, whose posts have been a fount of information.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Rob Kimberley
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:15 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

Wow, got to get one!!!!

:-)

Rob K

PS just goes to show how stupid a lot of people are out there in ga ga land.


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Bill, Sorry if my sense of humour went astray. Cheers Rob Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins Sent: 20 April 2007 09:31 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature to want to be part of a group that is somehow better than other groups. That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time. Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even time-nuts. Some of the things they believe do not seem rational. Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are kind of high. You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in religion and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to keep up with the group. I am not now and never have been an audiophile. It just bothers me when someone writes off complex human behavior with a single epithet. Bill Hawkins ... who can't sleep and probably shouldn't have written this. It is not an attack on Mr. Kimberly, whose posts have been a fount of information. -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:15 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery Wow, got to get one!!!! :-) Rob K PS just goes to show how stupid a lot of people are out there in ga ga land. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
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Daun Yeagley
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 6:48 PM

I had passed a couple of these posts on to one of my buddies at Motorola, since
we and a few others have by chance been having a parallel discussion of such
topics. Check out his message.

OK,

This is as crazy as it gets.  I have seen the high end power cables
before and consider this the ultimate in audiophoolishness ... I'm not
sure this is the most expensive example, but it surely establishes that
there is no connection between reality and audiophoolery.

Check it out:  http://www.audioconnect.com/html/pk10_palladian.html

SWR enhanced!!!!  God, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it?

Jim

This one just fit so nicely into our discussions!

Daun

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf
Of John Pettitt
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:03 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote:

Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like

$500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to
amuse me.

With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I

feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks
to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions.

http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

Keep the peace(es).

Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in
Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so
funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site.

http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf

I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm

and in case anybody still needs convincing

http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420

"*Harmonic Technology Fantasy

*In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it
is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with
ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good
too."

Excuse me while I gag.  $900 for a par of 3m wires!

John


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I had passed a couple of these posts on to one of my buddies at Motorola, since we and a few others have by chance been having a parallel discussion of such topics. Check out his message. OK, This is as crazy as it gets. I have seen the high end power cables before and consider this the ultimate in audiophoolishness ... I'm not sure this is the most expensive example, but it surely establishes that there is no connection between reality and audiophoolery. Check it out: http://www.audioconnect.com/html/pk10_palladian.html SWR enhanced!!!! God, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it? Jim This one just fit so nicely into our discussions! Daun -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Pettitt Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:03 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: > >> Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. >> >> With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions. >> >> http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 >> >> I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) >> >> Keep the peace(es). >> > > > Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in > Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so > funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. > > > http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf > > I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm and in case anybody still needs convincing http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420 "*Harmonic Technology Fantasy *In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good too." Excuse me while I gag. $900 for a par of 3m wires! John _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
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buehl
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 6:59 PM

Rasputin:

As a lover of fine kitchen knives, I can appreciate your decision.

And of course there is the 'time nut' measurable advantage of time per
slice, for a ripe cucumber, being only 42.467 mS instead of the typical
43.125 mS.

Tom

At 08:18 AM 4/20/2007, you wrote:

Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature
to want to be part of a group that is somehow better than other
groups.
That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time.

Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even
time-nuts. Some of the things they believe do not seem rational.
Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are
kind of high.

You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to
increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in
religion and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no
one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to
keep up with the group.

Hmm.  ...and I just bought a set of three Chef's knives for my
kitchen for $500.
/b


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Rasputin: As a lover of fine kitchen knives, I can appreciate your decision. And of course there is the 'time nut' measurable advantage of time per slice, for a ripe cucumber, being only 42.467 mS instead of the typical 43.125 mS. Tom At 08:18 AM 4/20/2007, you wrote: > > Well, stupid may not be the right word. It seems to be human nature > > to want to be part of a group that is somehow better than other > > groups. > > That actually had some evolutionary survival value at one time. > > > > Groups form all the time - religious, political, technical, even > > time-nuts. Some of the things they believe do not seem rational. > > Audiophiles are just another group, but the membership dues are > > kind of high. > > > > You can also see how the group has been manipulated by predators to > > increasing heights of expensive fantasies. There are parallels in > > religion and politics. Again, it's human nature. Surely, there's no > > one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to > > keep up with the group. > >Hmm. ...and I just bought a set of three Chef's knives for my >kitchen for $500. >/b > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list >time-nuts@febo.com >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
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John Pettitt
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 8:14 PM

It's the $250 HDMI cable
(http://www.audioconnect.com/html/hdmi-3_hdmi_cable.html) that takes the
prize IMHO - analog is voodoo to most people and they can be bamboozled
by talk of SWR's etc- but digital is just digital - it works or it
doesn't.    I'd be willing to bet that this $250 cable is no better
than the $19.95 one hooked to my Apple TV (neat toy BTW).

Then again most people are happy with a cheap timex and a clock radio -
I have three independent GPS clocks and two WWV clocks so maybe I
shouldn't be too quick to comment.

John (who still wears a mechanical watch)

Daun Yeagley wrote:

I had passed a couple of these posts on to one of my buddies at Motorola, since
we and a few others have by chance been having a parallel discussion of such
topics. Check out his message.

OK,

This is as crazy as it gets.  I have seen the high end power cables
before and consider this the ultimate in audiophoolishness ... I'm not
sure this is the most expensive example, but it surely establishes that
there is no connection between reality and audiophoolery.

Check it out:  http://www.audioconnect.com/html/pk10_palladian.html

SWR enhanced!!!!  God, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it?

Jim

This one just fit so nicely into our discussions!

Daun

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf
Of John Pettitt
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:03 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote:

Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like
   

$500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to
amuse me.

With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I
   

feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks
to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions.

http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

Keep the peace(es).

Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in
Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so
funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site.

http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf

I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm

and in case anybody still needs convincing

http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420

"*Harmonic Technology Fantasy

*In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it
is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with
ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good
too."

Excuse me while I gag.  $900 for a par of 3m wires!

John


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It's the $250 HDMI cable (http://www.audioconnect.com/html/hdmi-3_hdmi_cable.html) that takes the prize IMHO - analog is voodoo to most people and they can be bamboozled by talk of SWR's etc- but digital is just digital - it works or it doesn't. I'd be willing to bet that this $250 cable is no better than the $19.95 one hooked to my Apple TV (neat toy BTW). Then again most people are happy with a cheap timex and a clock radio - I have three independent GPS clocks and two WWV clocks so maybe I shouldn't be too quick to comment. John (who still wears a mechanical watch) Daun Yeagley wrote: > I had passed a couple of these posts on to one of my buddies at Motorola, since > we and a few others have by chance been having a parallel discussion of such > topics. Check out his message. > > OK, > > This is as crazy as it gets. I have seen the high end power cables > before and consider this the ultimate in audiophoolishness ... I'm not > sure this is the most expensive example, but it surely establishes that > there is no connection between reality and audiophoolery. > > Check it out: http://www.audioconnect.com/html/pk10_palladian.html > > SWR enhanced!!!! God, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it? > > Jim > > > This one just fit so nicely into our discussions! > > > Daun > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf > Of John Pettitt > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:03 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery > > Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > >> On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: >> >> >>> Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like >>> > $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, never fail to > amuse me. > >>> With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I >>> > feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks > to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions. > >>> http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 >>> >>> I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) >>> >>> Keep the peace(es). >>> >>> >> Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in >> Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so >> funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. >> >> >> http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf >> >> >> > I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm > > and in case anybody still needs convincing > > http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420 > > "*Harmonic Technology Fantasy > > *In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it > is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with > ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good > too." > > Excuse me while I gag. $900 for a par of 3m wires! > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >
JD
John Day
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 8:55 PM

At 04:14 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote:

It's the $250 HDMI cable
(http://www.audioconnect.com/html/hdmi-3_hdmi_cable.html) that takes the
prize IMHO - analog is voodoo to most people and they can be bamboozled
by talk of SWR's etc- but digital is just digital - it works or it
doesn't.    I'd be willing to bet that this $250 cable is no better
than the $19.95 one hooked to my Apple TV (neat toy BTW).

Or $225 for a metre long coax cable with RCA plugs on it for your digital data?

Some years ago in Australia a friend who had 'golden ears' had
purchased some insanely expensive speaker cable. But still wasn't
happy. He had some custom built cabinets and who knows how much power
driving the thing (it was a home brewed thing using KT-88's in
ultralinear class-AB1 if I recall).

But whoever assembled the speakers had used some really lightweight
telephone style wire in the cabinet. The wire had gotten so hot the
insulation was 'dripping' off! All I did was replace it with standard
4 (square mm) auto cable, and he was happier than a pig in a pile of
excrement.  I put up with 10 years of his boasting before I told him
what I had used.

The day I told him I played a trick on him. I invited him around to
hear my system. In those days a pair of home-brewed Klipsch
look-alikes. He raved, until he saw that the amp wasn't the big
glowing thing on the bench, I was using a simple National
Semiconductor LM2875 amp and some standard 3 core mains cable top
connect it to the speakers. We still talk, but he is a little less
boastful now. Sadly the Corner horns didn't survive a divorce and a
move to smaller digs.

John

Then again most people are happy with a cheap timex and a clock radio -
I have three independent GPS clocks and two WWV clocks so maybe I
shouldn't be too quick to comment.

John (who still wears a mechanical watch)

Daun Yeagley wrote:

I had passed a couple of these posts on to one of my buddies at

Motorola, since

we and a few others have by chance been having a parallel

discussion of such

topics. Check out his message.

OK,

This is as crazy as it gets.  I have seen the high end power cables
before and consider this the ultimate in audiophoolishness ... I'm not
sure this is the most expensive example, but it surely establishes that
there is no connection between reality and audiophoolery.

Check it out:  http://www.audioconnect.com/html/pk10_palladian.html

SWR enhanced!!!!  God, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it?

Jim

This one just fit so nicely into our discussions!

Daun

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com

[mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf

Of John Pettitt
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:03 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote:

 Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where 

silly things like

$500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved,

never fail to

amuse me.

 With that in mind, and given the current thread about 

Antelope Audio, I

feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates

one of the peaks

to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions.

 http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195

 I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-)

Keep the peace(es).

Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in
Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so
funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site.

http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf

I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm

and in case anybody still needs convincing

"*Harmonic Technology Fantasy

*In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it
is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with
ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good
too."

Excuse me while I gag.  $900 for a par of 3m wires!

John


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At 04:14 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote: >It's the $250 HDMI cable >(http://www.audioconnect.com/html/hdmi-3_hdmi_cable.html) that takes the >prize IMHO - analog is voodoo to most people and they can be bamboozled >by talk of SWR's etc- but digital is just digital - it works or it >doesn't. I'd be willing to bet that this $250 cable is no better >than the $19.95 one hooked to my Apple TV (neat toy BTW). Or $225 for a metre long coax cable with RCA plugs on it for your digital data? Some years ago in Australia a friend who had 'golden ears' had purchased some insanely expensive speaker cable. But still wasn't happy. He had some custom built cabinets and who knows how much power driving the thing (it was a home brewed thing using KT-88's in ultralinear class-AB1 if I recall). But whoever assembled the speakers had used some really lightweight telephone style wire in the cabinet. The wire had gotten so hot the insulation was 'dripping' off! All I did was replace it with standard 4 (square mm) auto cable, and he was happier than a pig in a pile of excrement. I put up with 10 years of his boasting before I told him what I had used. The day I told him I played a trick on him. I invited him around to hear my system. In those days a pair of home-brewed Klipsch look-alikes. He raved, until he saw that the amp wasn't the big glowing thing on the bench, I was using a simple National Semiconductor LM2875 amp and some standard 3 core mains cable top connect it to the speakers. We still talk, but he is a little less boastful now. Sadly the Corner horns didn't survive a divorce and a move to smaller digs. John >Then again most people are happy with a cheap timex and a clock radio - >I have three independent GPS clocks and two WWV clocks so maybe I >shouldn't be too quick to comment. > >John (who still wears a mechanical watch) > > >Daun Yeagley wrote: > > I had passed a couple of these posts on to one of my buddies at > Motorola, since > > we and a few others have by chance been having a parallel > discussion of such > > topics. Check out his message. > > > > OK, > > > > This is as crazy as it gets. I have seen the high end power cables > > before and consider this the ultimate in audiophoolishness ... I'm not > > sure this is the most expensive example, but it surely establishes that > > there is no connection between reality and audiophoolery. > > > > Check it out: http://www.audioconnect.com/html/pk10_palladian.html > > > > SWR enhanced!!!! God, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it? > > > > Jim > > > > > > This one just fit so nicely into our discussions! > > > > > > Daun > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf > > Of John Pettitt > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:03 AM > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery > > > > Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where > silly things like > >>> > > $500 knobs and "atomic" references for CD writing are involved, > never fail to > > amuse me. > > > >>> With that in mind, and given the current thread about > Antelope Audio, I > >>> > > feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates > one of the peaks > > to which "audiophools" will go to satisfy their obsessions. > > > >>> http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 > >>> > >>> I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) > >>> > >>> Keep the peace(es). > >>> > >>> > >> Take a look at this "Aromatherapy and Audiophools" which appeared in > >> Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so > >> funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. > >> > >> > >> http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf > >> > >> > >> > > I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also > > > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm > > > > and in case anybody still needs convincing > > > > > http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420 > > > > "*Harmonic Technology Fantasy > > > > *In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it > > is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with > > ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good > > too." > > > > Excuse me while I gag. $900 for a par of 3m wires! > > > > John > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list > > time-nuts@febo.com > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list > > time-nuts@febo.com > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list >time-nuts@febo.com >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
JF
Joe Fitzgerald
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 9:30 PM

Neon John wrote:

At that same altitude of looniness - waaaaaay out there - is the $50K
turntable where the works float on a pool of mercury contained in a
hollowed out lake on the top of about 2 tons of solid marble block.  I
used to have the URL to this thing but I can't seem to find it.

Make sure you demagnetize the ink on the record before you play it ...

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/furutech5/demag.html

-Joe

Neon John wrote: > > At that same altitude of looniness - waaaaaay out there - is the $50K > turntable where the works float on a pool of mercury contained in a > hollowed out lake on the top of about 2 tons of solid marble block. I > used to have the URL to this thing but I can't seem to find it. > Make sure you demagnetize the ink on the record before you play it ... http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/furutech5/demag.html -Joe
NJ
Neon John
Fri, Apr 20, 2007 9:49 PM

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:48:54 -0400, "Daun Yeagley" daun@yeagley.net
wrote:

This is as crazy as it gets.  I have seen the high end power cables
before and consider this the ultimate in audiophoolishness ... I'm not
sure this is the most expensive example, but it surely establishes that
there is no connection between reality and audiophoolery.

Check it out:  http://www.audioconnect.com/html/pk10_palladian.html

SWR enhanced!!!!  God, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it?

Check out the banner ad at the top

http://www.audioconnect.com/html/cable_tower.html

To elevate your speaker cables and protect them from the harmful
effects of carpeting and hardwood.  $100 each.

And another:

http://www.audioconnect.com/html/tube_dampers.html

Teflon vacuum tube dampers to make the music more clear and precise,
less fuzzy. Tonal qualities are rendered more true and natural, subtle
passages more distinguishable. Three-dimensional qualities are better
focused. Improvements occur evenly throughout the entire audio
spectrum, from the deepest bass through the highest frequencies .
These damping instruments outperform ordinary tube dampers by leaps
and bounds. Recommended by Audio Research for use on world-class Audio
Research amps.

This whole site reads like The Onion.  If it weren't audio I'd bet
money it is a spoof site.  Given that it IS audio, it's as serious as
a heart attack....

John

John De Armond
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http://www.neon-john.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words:
Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope.  -Churchill

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:48:54 -0400, "Daun Yeagley" <daun@yeagley.net> wrote: >This is as crazy as it gets. I have seen the high end power cables >before and consider this the ultimate in audiophoolishness ... I'm not >sure this is the most expensive example, but it surely establishes that >there is no connection between reality and audiophoolery. > >Check it out: http://www.audioconnect.com/html/pk10_palladian.html > >SWR enhanced!!!! God, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it? Check out the banner ad at the top http://www.audioconnect.com/html/cable_tower.html To elevate your speaker cables and protect them from the harmful effects of carpeting and hardwood. $100 each. And another: http://www.audioconnect.com/html/tube_dampers.html Teflon vacuum tube dampers to make the music more clear and precise, less fuzzy. Tonal qualities are rendered more true and natural, subtle passages more distinguishable. Three-dimensional qualities are better focused. Improvements occur evenly throughout the entire audio spectrum, from the deepest bass through the highest frequencies . These damping instruments outperform ordinary tube dampers by leaps and bounds. Recommended by Audio Research for use on world-class Audio Research amps. This whole site reads like The Onion. If it weren't audio I'd bet money it is a spoof site. Given that it IS audio, it's as serious as a heart attack.... John --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com Cleveland, Occupied TN All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill