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Chuck Harris

Tue, Dec 4, 2007 9:01 PM

Hi Bill,

I guess it depends on what you think it is that the market is
desiring.

There is little or no apparent interest in a newly manufactured
Bulova Accutron Spaceview watch. Modern Quartz watches have
long since eclipsed the Accutron's claim to fame (Accuracy,
no wind, freedom from positional variations...). The Spaceview
was a very basic watch. It had no calendar, no alarms, nothing
but a second hand, minute hand and hour hand, and a window to
peek through at the inner workings.

But, the market has a great interest in original, and NOS
original, Bulova Accutron Spaceview watches. The Spaceview is
about the only Accutron model that commands a high price.

So, when some Chinese company builds parts that allow one to make
a non-Spaceview watch appear to be a Spaceview watch, with the
apparent intent of facilitating fraud, I think there is little
to admire.

-Chuck Harris

WB6BNQ wrote:

Hi Chuck,

Well, there is another point of view to consider. If Bulova cannot see the need then MAYBE
there is nothing wrong with someone else providing that which is wanted.

Of course they should be up front and put there own name on it. It seems that Bulova has
cheapened their product to some extent and are not paying attention to the market.

Bill....WB6BNQ

Chuck Harris wrote:

The Spaceview is the Accutron model that everyone seems to want (even I want one),
so much so that the Chinese are now making the necessary reproduction parts to
convert a model with a normal dial to a Spaceview.

Apparently, there is no fraud so large, or so small that somebody in China
won't do the work necessary to make the fraud possible.

-Chuck Harris

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Hi Bill, I guess it depends on what you think it is that the market is desiring. There is little or no apparent interest in a newly manufactured Bulova Accutron Spaceview watch. Modern Quartz watches have long since eclipsed the Accutron's claim to fame (Accuracy, no wind, freedom from positional variations...). The Spaceview was a very basic watch. It had no calendar, no alarms, nothing but a second hand, minute hand and hour hand, and a window to peek through at the inner workings. But, the market has a great interest in original, and NOS original, Bulova Accutron Spaceview watches. The Spaceview is about the only Accutron model that commands a high price. So, when some Chinese company builds parts that allow one to make a non-Spaceview watch appear to be a Spaceview watch, with the apparent intent of facilitating fraud, I think there is little to admire. -Chuck Harris WB6BNQ wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > Well, there is another point of view to consider. If Bulova cannot see the need then MAYBE > there is nothing wrong with someone else providing that which is wanted. > > Of course they should be up front and put there own name on it. It seems that Bulova has > cheapened their product to some extent and are not paying attention to the market. > > Bill....WB6BNQ > > > Chuck Harris wrote: > >> The Spaceview is the Accutron model that everyone seems to want (even I want one), >> so much so that the Chinese are now making the necessary reproduction parts to >> convert a model with a normal dial to a Spaceview. >> >> Apparently, there is no fraud so large, or so small that somebody in China >> won't do the work necessary to make the fraud possible. >> >> -Chuck Harris >> > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

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Daun Yeagley

Tue, Dec 4, 2007 9:03 PM

If you were to look on the Accutron list at Yahoo, you would see plenty of
evidence that Bulova has turned it's back on the Accutron (the real one.. not
the quartz cheapies)
Also, some possible good news is that Citizen (Japan) just bought Bulova. What
makes this even more interesting is that at one time they were building
Accutrons under license!

Daun

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Hi Chuck,

Well, there is another point of view to consider. If Bulova cannot see the need
then MAYBE
there is nothing wrong with someone else providing that which is wanted.

Of course they should be up front and put there own name on it. It seems that
Bulova has
cheapened their product to some extent and are not paying attention to the
market.

Bill....WB6BNQ

Chuck Harris wrote:

The Spaceview is the Accutron model that everyone seems to want (even I want

one),

so much so that the Chinese are now making the necessary reproduction parts to
convert a model with a normal dial to a Spaceview.

Apparently, there is no fraud so large, or so small that somebody in China
won't do the work necessary to make the fraud possible.

-Chuck Harris

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If you were to look on the Accutron list at Yahoo, you would see plenty of evidence that Bulova has turned it's back on the Accutron (the real one.. not the quartz cheapies) Also, some possible good news is that Citizen (Japan) just bought Bulova. What makes this even more interesting is that at one time they were building Accutrons under license! Daun -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of WB6BNQ Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:09 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Watches - the china connection Hi Chuck, Well, there is another point of view to consider. If Bulova cannot see the need then MAYBE there is nothing wrong with someone else providing that which is wanted. Of course they should be up front and put there own name on it. It seems that Bulova has cheapened their product to some extent and are not paying attention to the market. Bill....WB6BNQ Chuck Harris wrote: > The Spaceview is the Accutron model that everyone seems to want (even I want one), > so much so that the Chinese are now making the necessary reproduction parts to > convert a model with a normal dial to a Spaceview. > > Apparently, there is no fraud so large, or so small that somebody in China > won't do the work necessary to make the fraud possible. > > -Chuck Harris > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

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WB6BNQ

Tue, Dec 4, 2007 9:30 PM

Hi Chuck,

I was not admiring anything, just presenting a different view point.

The point was if a company does not want to support a product of interest, and there is enough of
an interest, then it will get supplied by others at some point.

As to the fraud aspect, that is why I said they should be up front and put their own name on the
product instead of those who they copy.

Bill....WB6BNQ

Chuck Harris wrote:

Hi Bill,

I guess it depends on what you think it is that the market is
desiring.

There is little or no apparent interest in a newly manufactured
Bulova Accutron Spaceview watch. Modern Quartz watches have
long since eclipsed the Accutron's claim to fame (Accuracy,
no wind, freedom from positional variations...). The Spaceview
was a very basic watch. It had no calendar, no alarms, nothing
but a second hand, minute hand and hour hand, and a window to
peek through at the inner workings.

But, the market has a great interest in original, and NOS
original, Bulova Accutron Spaceview watches. The Spaceview is
about the only Accutron model that commands a high price.

So, when some Chinese company builds parts that allow one to make
a non-Spaceview watch appear to be a Spaceview watch, with the
apparent intent of facilitating fraud, I think there is little
to admire.

-Chuck Harris

WB6BNQ wrote:

Hi Chuck,

Well, there is another point of view to consider. If Bulova cannot see the need then MAYBE
there is nothing wrong with someone else providing that which is wanted.

Of course they should be up front and put there own name on it. It seems that Bulova has
cheapened their product to some extent and are not paying attention to the market.

Bill....WB6BNQ

Chuck Harris wrote:

The Spaceview is the Accutron model that everyone seems to want (even I want one),
so much so that the Chinese are now making the necessary reproduction parts to
convert a model with a normal dial to a Spaceview.

Apparently, there is no fraud so large, or so small that somebody in China
won't do the work necessary to make the fraud possible.

-Chuck Harris

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Hi Chuck, I was not admiring anything, just presenting a different view point. The point was if a company does not want to support a product of interest, and there is enough of an interest, then it will get supplied by others at some point. As to the fraud aspect, that is why I said they should be up front and put their own name on the product instead of those who they copy. Bill....WB6BNQ Chuck Harris wrote: > Hi Bill, > > I guess it depends on what you think it is that the market is > desiring. > > There is little or no apparent interest in a newly manufactured > Bulova Accutron Spaceview watch. Modern Quartz watches have > long since eclipsed the Accutron's claim to fame (Accuracy, > no wind, freedom from positional variations...). The Spaceview > was a very basic watch. It had no calendar, no alarms, nothing > but a second hand, minute hand and hour hand, and a window to > peek through at the inner workings. > > But, the market has a great interest in original, and NOS > original, Bulova Accutron Spaceview watches. The Spaceview is > about the only Accutron model that commands a high price. > > So, when some Chinese company builds parts that allow one to make > a non-Spaceview watch appear to be a Spaceview watch, with the > apparent intent of facilitating fraud, I think there is little > to admire. > > -Chuck Harris > > WB6BNQ wrote: > > Hi Chuck, > > > > Well, there is another point of view to consider. If Bulova cannot see the need then MAYBE > > there is nothing wrong with someone else providing that which is wanted. > > > > Of course they should be up front and put there own name on it. It seems that Bulova has > > cheapened their product to some extent and are not paying attention to the market. > > > > Bill....WB6BNQ > > > > > > Chuck Harris wrote: > > > >> The Spaceview is the Accutron model that everyone seems to want (even I want one), > >> so much so that the Chinese are now making the necessary reproduction parts to > >> convert a model with a normal dial to a Spaceview. > >> > >> Apparently, there is no fraud so large, or so small that somebody in China > >> won't do the work necessary to make the fraud possible. > >> > >> -Chuck Harris > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

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Chuck Harris

Tue, Dec 4, 2007 9:51 PM

Hi Bill,

If the Chinese maker put his name on the parts in a visible location,
then nobody would be fooled, and without the ability to fool the customer,
there is no market.

This is not a supply of Ebauche repair parts that I am talking about.

It is more like the guys that are making and selling copies of Rolex cases,
dials, and hand sets that can be used to turn a cheap quartz movement
into a Rolex replica. The parts are being supplied in the interest
of committing fraud, not facilitating repairs.

-Chuck Harris

WB6BNQ wrote:

Hi Chuck,

I was not admiring anything, just presenting a different view point.

The point was if a company does not want to support a product of interest, and there is enough of
an interest, then it will get supplied by others at some point.

As to the fraud aspect, that is why I said they should be up front and put their own name on the
product instead of those who they copy.

Bill....WB6BNQ

Hi Bill, If the Chinese maker put his name on the parts in a visible location, then nobody would be fooled, and without the ability to fool the customer, there is no market. This is not a supply of Ebauche repair parts that I am talking about. It is more like the guys that are making and selling copies of Rolex cases, dials, and hand sets that can be used to turn a cheap quartz movement into a Rolex replica. The parts are being supplied in the interest of committing fraud, not facilitating repairs. -Chuck Harris WB6BNQ wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > I was not admiring anything, just presenting a different view point. > > The point was if a company does not want to support a product of interest, and there is enough of > an interest, then it will get supplied by others at some point. > > As to the fraud aspect, that is why I said they should be up front and put their own name on the > product instead of those who they copy. > > Bill....WB6BNQ

NJ

Neon John

Tue, Dec 4, 2007 10:34 PM

On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:01:29 -0500, Chuck Harris cfharris@erols.com wrote:

Hi Bill,

I guess it depends on what you think it is that the market is
desiring.

There is little or no apparent interest in a newly manufactured
Bulova Accutron Spaceview watch. Modern Quartz watches have
long since eclipsed the Accutron's claim to fame (Accuracy,
no wind, freedom from positional variations...). The Spaceview
was a very basic watch. It had no calendar, no alarms, nothing
but a second hand, minute hand and hour hand, and a window to
peek through at the inner workings.

All that's what made it so wonderful. It did one thing very well. I STILL miss the
hum of that watch under my pillow.... I'll just bet that there would be enough of a
market for SpaceViews to make a manufacturing run worthwhile. I'd certainly buy one.

So, when some Chinese company builds parts that allow one to make
a non-Spaceview watch appear to be a Spaceview watch, with the
apparent intent of facilitating fraud, I think there is little
to admire.

Is that what they're doing or are they just satisfying the desire of a lot of us to
have another SpaceView-like watch? I couldn't care less if one was made in 1967 or
2007. I'd just like to have another one. If I could pick up some other Accutron at
an estate sale, then change out the dial and stuff to make it look like a SpaceView
then I'd be as happy as a clam in sauce. To me, it would only be fraud if I tried to
pass it off as an authentic antique.

John

John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
Serenity: That feeling of knowing that your secretary will never tell either of your wives.

On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:01:29 -0500, Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> wrote: >Hi Bill, > >I guess it depends on what you think it is that the market is >desiring. > >There is little or no apparent interest in a newly manufactured >Bulova Accutron Spaceview watch. Modern Quartz watches have >long since eclipsed the Accutron's claim to fame (Accuracy, >no wind, freedom from positional variations...). The Spaceview >was a very basic watch. It had no calendar, no alarms, nothing >but a second hand, minute hand and hour hand, and a window to >peek through at the inner workings. All that's what made it so wonderful. It did one thing very well. I STILL miss the hum of that watch under my pillow.... I'll just bet that there would be enough of a market for SpaceViews to make a manufacturing run worthwhile. I'd certainly buy one. >So, when some Chinese company builds parts that allow one to make >a non-Spaceview watch appear to be a Spaceview watch, with the >apparent intent of facilitating fraud, I think there is little >to admire. Is that what they're doing or are they just satisfying the desire of a lot of us to have another SpaceView-like watch? I couldn't care less if one was made in 1967 or 2007. I'd just like to have another one. If I could pick up some other Accutron at an estate sale, then change out the dial and stuff to make it look like a SpaceView then I'd be as happy as a clam in sauce. To me, it would only be fraud if I tried to pass it off as an authentic antique. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN Serenity: That feeling of knowing that your secretary will never tell either of your wives.

BH

Bill Hawkins

Wed, Dec 5, 2007 2:55 AM

Groucho Marx, taking the pulse of a fallen man:

  "Either he's dead or my watch has stopped."

Groucho Marx, taking the pulse of a fallen man: "Either he's dead or my watch has stopped."

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Chuck Harris

Wed, Dec 5, 2007 11:07 AM

Bill Hawkins wrote:

Groucho Marx, taking the pulse of a fallen man:

   "Either he's dead or my watch has stopped."

Funny, but backwards.

-Chuck Harris

Bill Hawkins wrote: > Groucho Marx, taking the pulse of a fallen man: > > "Either he's dead or my watch has stopped." Funny, but backwards. -Chuck Harris

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