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Re: TWL: Algae-X

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tobyboat@erols.com
Mon, Nov 15, 1999 11:43 PM

If there are two choices:

  1. Biobor: that is accepted by everyone, including the aviation industry,
    as an effective treatment for over 20 years and is relatively inexpensive.

If I recall - Frank Napuro recomended specifically  against the use of
Biobor at the Krogen Cruisers meeting several years  ago - it is an
emulsifing agent and
allows diesel fuel to absorb even greater amounts of water than the 7 to 10
% that it " normally " takes up. And it is this resultant cocktail that is
put through the filters  - I have forgotten  the amount  that it is possible
for diesel to absorb with the use of Biobor -- something about twice that
amount of water - it really is an effective produce -- that would be then
say 20 % water / fuel mix .. Doesn't sound like I want to try to put that
cocktail  through  either my filters or my engine -- and shouldn't wonder if
my engine smoked when I did ..

 I believe he recomended the use of an de -emulsifing agent - to

restrict the absorbtion of water and cause it to  precipitate to the bottom
where it can be drawn off . He recomended  MPW as one of several such
products -- MPW is used by
several industrial companies in their long tern storage tanks - like Bell
Telephone as well as the Coast Guard  and Carnival Cruise Lines . ( heck I
think these guys try every darn thing that comes along - just like we do  --
so who uses what really doesn't  count a great deal  )

There remain a multiplicity of options  to deal with fuel -- many of

them  seemingly  opposite  of each other ..

The de emulsifier agents are much more difficult to obtain -- unless

gotten through industrial suppliers or repackagers like MPW  --

They have a Web Page - use your search engine -- I don't keep it

bookmarked ..

                          All the Best
                                       Ken
                                      MV Mrs. Hudson
> If there are two choices: > > 1. Biobor: that is accepted by everyone, including the aviation industry, > as an effective treatment for over 20 years and is relatively inexpensive. > If I recall - Frank Napuro recomended specifically against the use of Biobor at the Krogen Cruisers meeting several years ago - it is an emulsifing agent and allows diesel fuel to absorb even greater amounts of water than the 7 to 10 % that it " normally " takes up. And it is this resultant cocktail that is put through the filters - I have forgotten the amount that it is possible for diesel to absorb with the use of Biobor -- something about twice that amount of water - it really is an effective produce -- that would be then say 20 % water / fuel mix .. Doesn't sound like I want to try to put that cocktail through either my filters or my engine -- and shouldn't wonder if my engine smoked when I did .. I believe he recomended the use of an de -emulsifing agent - to restrict the absorbtion of water and cause it to precipitate to the bottom where it can be drawn off . He recomended MPW as one of several such products -- MPW is used by several industrial companies in their long tern storage tanks - like Bell Telephone as well as the Coast Guard and Carnival Cruise Lines . ( heck I think these guys try every darn thing that comes along - just like we do -- so who uses what really doesn't count a great deal ) There remain a multiplicity of options to deal with fuel -- many of them seemingly opposite of each other .. The de emulsifier agents are much more difficult to obtain -- unless gotten through industrial suppliers or repackagers like MPW -- They have a Web Page - use your search engine -- I don't keep it bookmarked .. All the Best Ken MV Mrs. Hudson
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tobyboat@erols.com
Tue, Nov 16, 1999 1:48 AM

Hi Ken
I tried three different search engines for MPW. > Pleas give me a complete

name so I can find it

Thanks
David Keese

David ,
    I found one of their brochures :
              McLane's Parts Warehouse
              103 NW 43 rd Street
               Suite D
              Boca Raton Fla   33431
               phone:   1-800 393 3915

      These are the same folks that distribute the Separ filters -- the

European  equal to Racors - which are made by Wix I think .

     I do not see their web site  or e-mail address listed -- but this

brochure is a little old . Give it another try maby with this new
information -- maybe try Separ .  I think the fellows name is Jeff McLane -
I last spoke with him a year or two ago.

 I'm using the 2001 product  - which they call a Combuston Catalyst :

the premiun diesel --- actually seems to be somewhat of a blend of a de
emusifier and a bioside -- seems to work pretty well for me - and the stern
of Mrs. Hudson is nowhere near as sooty as  before when I used the other
stuff . ( The Volvo seems to run a little rich - unless it is on the Turbo
range of RPM - actually I think it is not the best engine for the boat - at
least the way I run it at about 6.5 knts - which is beneath the turbo rpms )

It is pretty easy to get inside the tank of the Manatee and run a fuel
polishing  system  directly  through the tank access  plate on the top -
which I do once a year anyway .
Mrs. Hudson is an 86 and  last year I reached down and felt the scum
built up on the tank walls and bottom .and I had a cloged filter on our
cruise to DC . I talked with a friend of mine who was the service mgr for Am
Oil here in Baltimore about what it would take to clean the skum from the
walls - he suggested a toilet brush  -- seems like a simple solution to me .
I will try it when I set up the  polishing system .

 I really liked the polishing system on Mike Tulips boat that he and

Mark R rigged up --  I have removed my filters to rig up something similiar
over the winter.

Always something to be done to keep things running well .
All the Best
Ken
Mrs. Hudson

> Hi Ken > I tried three different search engines for MPW. > Pleas give me a complete name so I can find it > Thanks > David Keese David , I found one of their brochures : McLane's Parts Warehouse 103 NW 43 rd Street Suite D Boca Raton Fla 33431 phone: 1-800 393 3915 These are the same folks that distribute the Separ filters -- the European equal to Racors - which are made by Wix I think . I do not see their web site or e-mail address listed -- but this brochure is a little old . Give it another try maby with this new information -- maybe try Separ . I think the fellows name is Jeff McLane - I last spoke with him a year or two ago. I'm using the 2001 product - which they call a Combuston Catalyst : the premiun diesel --- actually seems to be somewhat of a blend of a de emusifier and a bioside -- seems to work pretty well for me - and the stern of Mrs. Hudson is nowhere near as sooty as before when I used the other stuff . ( The Volvo seems to run a little rich - unless it is on the Turbo range of RPM - actually I think it is not the best engine for the boat - at least the way I run it at about 6.5 knts - which is beneath the turbo rpms ) It is pretty easy to get inside the tank of the Manatee and run a fuel polishing system directly through the tank access plate on the top - which I do once a year anyway . Mrs. Hudson is an 86 and last year I reached down and felt the scum built up on the tank walls and bottom .and I had a cloged filter on our cruise to DC . I talked with a friend of mine who was the service mgr for Am Oil here in Baltimore about what it would take to clean the skum from the walls - he suggested a toilet brush -- seems like a simple solution to me . I will try it when I set up the polishing system . I really liked the polishing system on Mike Tulips boat that he and Mark R rigged up -- I have removed my filters to rig up something similiar over the winter. Always something to be done to keep things running well . All the Best Ken Mrs. Hudson
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fburrows@csi.com
Tue, Nov 16, 1999 4:00 AM

If there are two choices:

  1. Biobor: that is accepted by everyone, including the aviation industry,
    as an effective treatment for over 20 years and is relatively inexpensive.

  2. Algae-X: Relatively new, controversial, based on questionable science,
    and expensive.

What would be the correct choice?

Frank Burrows  1979 43' Viking MY  Piney Narrows Chesapeake Bay

If there are two choices: 1. Biobor: that is accepted by everyone, including the aviation industry, as an effective treatment for over 20 years and is relatively inexpensive. 2. Algae-X: Relatively new, controversial, based on questionable science, and expensive. What would be the correct choice? Frank Burrows 1979 43' Viking MY Piney Narrows Chesapeake Bay