Definitely talking about Force 10 propane stove (no experience with electric). Looking at their website, seems all new Force 10's have "fold-away" oven doors as opposed to a conventional hinge-down door. The door has an articulated hinge and tucks along the floor of the oven, thus covering what would be the burner. To accommodate, Force 10 moved the burner to the back of the oven creating uneven heating. On the plus side, the space in front of the oven is clear in tight galleys and it's balanced when gimbaled. It's an ingenious design though in my experience - it's a lousy oven. If a person values "form" over "function," look no further. Peter Willard 36 San Francisco