I am in the process of purchasing a 3000 watt true sine wave inverter.
I am wondering if anyone has any experience with this particular
inverter?  Heart has a 3000 watt inverter but it is a modified sine
wave.  Trace does not have a 3000 or 4000 watt 12volt true sine wave
inverter and that's about all I have been able to find.  Comments would
be greatly accepted.

Tom Wilson
50' Marine Trader
Kuka Juana
tewilson@mail.sdsu.edu

Arild will know, but I think that you are mistaken. It's just very hard to
find the true sine wave Trace units on Xantrex's website. I'll try and fine
them for you.

Ron Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Wilson" tewilson@mail.sdsu.edu

| I am in the process of purchasing a 3000 watt true sine wave inverter.
| I am wondering if anyone has any experience with this particular
| inverter?  Heart has a 3000 watt inverter but it is a modified sine
| wave.  Trace does not have a 3000 or 4000 watt 12volt true sine wave
| inverter and that's about all I have been able to find.  Comments would
| be greatly accepted.

Au contrare mon frere! They have absorbed them and hidden them. On page
seven of the Xantrex pdf catalog, the white Trace inverter/chargers are
found in either 2500 or 4000W. The only mention of the Trace Engineering
firm is in the beginning where they tell you who they absorbed.

It's hard to imagine that Xantrex doesn't even cross-reference this stuff
and you can't find it under "Marine" on their main website. If you use
Google, you get close and then find out that if you go to Trace's website,
you end up with Xantrex.

Sooo, you're looking for a Xantrex 2500 or 4000W true sine-wave
inverter/charger which happens to be white.

Truly inverted and convoluted,
Ron Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Wilson" tewilson@mail.sdsu.edu

| Trace does not have a 3000 or 4000 watt 12volt true sine wave
| inverter and that's about all I have been able to find.

Arild,

Can the 4000W 24V inverter/charger be modified for 12V? I seem to recall
that Trace (prior to merger) was willing to customize units. Also, the Trace
units are much heavier units. Am I wrong in assuming that heavier is better?

Finally, if their quality was superior to Prosine, one could "stack" two
2500W units.

Is there another company or conglomerate who plays in this market?
Mastervolt and Vector (?) come to mind.

Ron Rogers

I found another made by Xantrex after I clicked on a Charles Marine (good
company, but expensive) inverter. I am providing the URL Thomas, because it
lacks the detailed info you need. BUT, it says 3200W true sine-wave and
looks a little like a TRACE for $1999 with free shipping. I give up!

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Ron Rogers

I can't vouch for the contents, but when looking at the Victron section of
www.boatelectric.com, I found a PDF document 74 pages long which is a white
paper on this subject. I'm not competent to judge it, but I will read it.
The only other caveat is that it was authored in England, the land of Lucas
or the land that invented radar - you choose.

< http://www.boatelectric.com/Victron%20Energy%20products1.htm#inverter >

Ron Rogers

From: Ron Rogers
Subject: Electricity Onboard PDF Document

I can't vouch for the contents, but when looking at the Victron section of
www.boatelectric.com, I found a PDF document 74 pages long which is a white
paper on this subject. I'm not competent to judge it, but I will read it.
The only other caveat is that it was authored in England, the land of Lucas
or the land that invented radar - you choose.

< http://www.boatelectric.com/Victron%20Energy%20products1.htm#inverter >

Ron Rogers

REPLY
Slight correction!
The original document was written in Dutch and published in the Netherlands.
Reinout Vader is the founder and president of Victron Energy.

While much of the content is  applicable to any brands, the entire concept of
energy self sufficiency leads up to the adoption of using  a 24/7  running
silent genset - namely the Whispergen.  As has been mentioned  in prior posts
the Whispergen is based on a Stirling engine.

While the concept is good, it is also predicated on the premise of European
power consumption.
Unfortunately the majority market is in the United States and the average
American  boat owner wants more amenities  that consume power than the European
counterpart.  Consequently  American sold boats often require much greater power
capacity.
A large part of that demand come from the need to air condition the vessel, both
under way and at anchor.
This is a situation dictated by  geographical factors such as being on the
leeward side of a continent ( East Coast and Gulf areas)
I am sure a comparable  situation exist on the leeward side of the Asian
continent and the African continent but there boating is  less common for the
average citizen, so we tend to not hear as much about it.

Therefore Ron's caveat concerning Lucas electrics and Radar is not valid. <
grin>

Cheers

Arild

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