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gerankin
Fri, Mar 10, 2006 6:48 AM

Thanks for the links, this is an interesting product for boaters.  I have
not seen much in the way of specs, but for it to work in this form factor it
has to be rugged, which is what we need.  I also assume that it will work
off of 12 volts because of the talk about using it in cars.  With a touch
screen you resolve one of my complaints with PC systems, which is trying to
use a pointing device while underway.

You can do all of this with a regular PC (including getting a 12 or 24V
power supply) but having an integrated package from a major manufacturer
like Samsung will be better and cheaper than a one-off solution that I could
construct.  We will have to listen for how well it works for early
adopters; if it survives the Starbucks test it should work in a trawler
cabin.  With one piece it will be more rugged than a laptop (I have lost two
due to hinge damage.)

The screen is small but my idea is to have the mini PC at the pilothouse
table wirelessly linked to a larger monitor on the console.  (You could use
a hard wire but wireless is cooler.)  If it worked it would be ideal; the
navigator could fiddle with the chart presentation up close while the pilot
keeps their eyes on the bridge screen and window.  In our current setup the
navigator blocks the view while fiddling with the controls of the
chartplotter.  This sometimes prompts a rebuke from the Admiral.

It also seems like something that you could take with you in the dink pretty
easily, depending upon how water resistant the design is.

George Rankin
Oyster Catcher

Thanks for the links, this is an interesting product for boaters. I have not seen much in the way of specs, but for it to work in this form factor it has to be rugged, which is what we need. I also assume that it will work off of 12 volts because of the talk about using it in cars. With a touch screen you resolve one of my complaints with PC systems, which is trying to use a pointing device while underway. You can do all of this with a regular PC (including getting a 12 or 24V power supply) but having an integrated package from a major manufacturer like Samsung will be better and cheaper than a one-off solution that I could construct. We will have to listen for how well it works for early adopters; if it survives the Starbucks test it should work in a trawler cabin. With one piece it will be more rugged than a laptop (I have lost two due to hinge damage.) The screen is small but my idea is to have the mini PC at the pilothouse table wirelessly linked to a larger monitor on the console. (You could use a hard wire but wireless is cooler.) If it worked it would be ideal; the navigator could fiddle with the chart presentation up close while the pilot keeps their eyes on the bridge screen and window. In our current setup the navigator blocks the view while fiddling with the controls of the chartplotter. This sometimes prompts a rebuke from the Admiral. It also seems like something that you could take with you in the dink pretty easily, depending upon how water resistant the design is. George Rankin Oyster Catcher
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Robert Deering
Fri, Mar 10, 2006 7:10 AM

Sounds like a great product.  But so have all of Microsoft's other
products.

Let the rest of us know how it pans out!

Bob Deering
Juneau Alaska

Sounds like a great product. But so have all of Microsoft's other products. Let the rest of us know how it pans out! Bob Deering Juneau Alaska
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Dale Klahn
Fri, Mar 10, 2006 4:17 PM

I have a number of "Ultra-Mobile" devices from Casio, NEC, etc. that are
very similar but not really handy. Some of them purchased four or five
years ago.  Hopefully this one, or something derived from it, will be
useful.

At least the gap between functionality and the price point are getting
more reasonable, but I wouldn't rush out and drop the cash on one right
yet.

If your looking for mobile GPS and charting, look at the Garmin
handheld products, or various Pocket PC solutions.  Personally, mobile
means something I can put in my pocket or clip to my belt.  Otherwise,
when I need it it's going to be sitting on my desk, or the back seat of
my car.  The same place my laptop would be.

Dale Klahn

I have a number of "Ultra-Mobile" devices from Casio, NEC, etc. that are very similar but not really handy. Some of them purchased four or five years ago. Hopefully this one, or something derived from it, will be useful. At least the gap between functionality and the price point are getting more reasonable, but I wouldn't rush out and drop the cash on one right yet. If your looking for mobile GPS and charting, look at the Garmin handheld products, or various Pocket PC solutions. Personally, mobile means something I can put in my pocket or clip to my belt. Otherwise, when I need it it's going to be sitting on my desk, or the back seat of my car. The same place my laptop would be. Dale Klahn
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Jeffrey Siegel
Fri, Mar 10, 2006 6:37 PM

Personally, mobile means something I can put in my pocket or
clip to my belt.  Otherwise, when I need it it's going to be
sitting on my desk, or the back seat of my car.  The same
place my laptop would be.

I'm sort of fond of pocket-sized mobile devices too.  The thing about
Origami-sized solutions for cruising trawlers is that it nicely fits the
80-20 rule.  I'll explain...

I've seen a lot of computer use on boats over the last few years.  It's been
hard to miss.  For most people, email access, navigation, and web browsing
represents the large majority of what is done.  Sure there are people doing
specific things from software development to graphic design, but that is a
small percentage.  The Origami type of device is tuned to be an
instant-standby-turn-on device.  It is made to be rugged because it is used
while being carried (unlike a laptop).  And it easily handles email,
navigation, and browsing (with a Bluetooth keyboard).

For navigation, these little devices have a hidden secret.  The video output
is at a higher resolution than the screen.  This means that you can connect
a larger monitor to the little guy for use behind the wheel.  Unhook it and
you're on your dinghy or in your car with the exact same software, routes,
tracks, and browser favorites.

As WiFi becomes more pervasive (or WiMax) these little things become
communications centers too.  Use a Bluetooth headset and you're talking on
the phone (through Skype) from anywhere on your boat (as long as your boat
is under 60' LOA!).

I just think that there are so many places where a laptop is used today that
this new type of device will fit better.  We definitely need more
information and experience with them but I think it is something important
to watch.

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Jeffrey Siegel
M/V aCappella
DeFever 53PH
W1ACA/WDB4350
Castine, Maine

> Personally, mobile means something I can put in my pocket or > clip to my belt. Otherwise, when I need it it's going to be > sitting on my desk, or the back seat of my car. The same > place my laptop would be. I'm sort of fond of pocket-sized mobile devices too. The thing about Origami-sized solutions for cruising trawlers is that it nicely fits the 80-20 rule. I'll explain... I've seen a lot of computer use on boats over the last few years. It's been hard to miss. For most people, email access, navigation, and web browsing represents the large majority of what is done. Sure there are people doing specific things from software development to graphic design, but that is a small percentage. The Origami type of device is tuned to be an instant-standby-turn-on device. It is made to be rugged because it is used while being carried (unlike a laptop). And it easily handles email, navigation, and browsing (with a Bluetooth keyboard). For navigation, these little devices have a hidden secret. The video output is at a higher resolution than the screen. This means that you can connect a larger monitor to the little guy for use behind the wheel. Unhook it and you're on your dinghy or in your car with the exact same software, routes, tracks, and browser favorites. As WiFi becomes more pervasive (or WiMax) these little things become communications centers too. Use a Bluetooth headset and you're talking on the phone (through Skype) from anywhere on your boat (as long as your boat is under 60' LOA!). I just think that there are so many places where a laptop is used today that this new type of device will fit better. We definitely need more information and experience with them but I think it is something important to watch. ================ Jeffrey Siegel M/V aCappella DeFever 53PH W1ACA/WDB4350 Castine, Maine