Many thanks to Bob and others who responded. The message is clear to us: forget the cat for passagemaking - at least for now. Regards, John "Seahorse" > I have customers who are selling their 58' sailing cat for the same reason. This very experienced cruising couple traded a Tayana 55 for the cat, did the delivery down to Tortola and decided to sell the cat. They said no one had warned them how noisy cats are at sea and how "quick" the motion. Their Tayana, they said, was very quiet in the aft cabin with a very "nice, comfortable" motion, conducive to spending time at sea. The cat is turning into a 140' Dutch fishing trawler for the two of them to cruise on, which should have a wonderfully comfortable motion, especially after the anti-roll tank is fitted!! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Everyone, I've recently started using the peer to peer file sharing utility called Emule that is available for free download here: http://www.emule.com/ Once you download the emule software, you can then access millions of files that are being shared by the tens of millions of people who have the software already. I've found that there are a ton of software packages and mapping packages (e.g. MaxSea, Garmon, Emap, Cmap, Fugawi, Maptech, Magellan, Navionics, etc) for virtually all areas of the world. There are also many books and magazines related to yachts, sailing, etc. Many in different languages too. I get the feeling that the sharing of these files may not be totally legal, but the files are all there for the download. While I wouldn't actually download these for true use - I'm thinking that it might be valuable as an opportunity to try before I buy. Does anyone have any experience with these files from Emule? If you do try it - I'd love to hear people's results. I currently don't have any mapping software system, but I'd like to learn, and I'm wondering if this will work. Any thoughts or input greatly appreciated, Brian.

Sounds like an open and shut case of software piracy to me. The companies that sell the E-Nav programs, books and charts we depend on don't have such a large customer base that they can afford to be ripped off. No disrespect, but the try before you buy argument is the same one I always hear from pirates. You can arrange legal demos of most major E-Nav programs by contacting the manufacturer. John Marshall N5520-Serendipity On Jun 27, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Brian Chiko wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've recently started using the peer to peer file sharing utility > called > Emule that is available for free download here: > > http://www.emule.com/ > > Once you download the emule software, you can then access millions > of files > that are being shared by the tens of millions of people who have the > software already. > > I've found that there are a ton of software packages and mapping > packages > (e.g. MaxSea, Garmon, Emap, Cmap, Fugawi, Maptech, Magellan, > Navionics, etc) > for virtually all areas of the world. There are also many books and > magazines related to yachts, sailing, etc. Many in different > languages too. > > I get the feeling that the sharing of these files may not be > totally legal, > but the files are all there for the download. While I wouldn't > actually > download these for true use - I'm thinking that it might be > valuable as an > opportunity to try before I buy. Does anyone have any experience > with these > files from Emule? If you do try it - I'd love to hear people's > results. > > I currently don't have any mapping software system, but I'd like to > learn, > and I'm wondering if this will work. > > Any thoughts or input greatly appreciated, > > Brian. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.

> Once you download the emule software, you can then > access millions of files Past experience with peer-2-peer software (i.e. Kazaa, Napster, etc) had some very, very bad unintended consequences - it was perniscious and very difficult to cure. Under the heading of "no free lunch," P2P software has the reputation of installing hidden malware, spyware, key-loggers, and other hooks that prowl places of your PC that either you or your operating system would prefer not to be prowled. In short, installing P2P software is very high risk. I do not specifically know of eMule, but I would categorize it as high risk. Peter

Brian this is a off list response to you. Sorry to rain on the parade.. But the list can be held liable for talking about ways of bypassing or sharing of copyrighted materials. So if you could, please do not post anything else about this subject. John Ford PUP Admin On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Brian Chiko wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've recently started using the peer to peer file sharing utility > called > Emule that is available for free download here: > > http://www.emule.com/ > > Once you download the emule software, you can then access millions > of files > that are being shared by the tens of millions of people who have the > software already. > > I've found that there are a ton of software packages and mapping > packages > (e.g. MaxSea, Garmon, Emap, Cmap, Fugawi, Maptech, Magellan, > Navionics, etc) > for virtually all areas of the world. There are also many books and > magazines related to yachts, sailing, etc. Many in different > languages too. > > I get the feeling that the sharing of these files may not be > totally legal, > but the files are all there for the download. While I wouldn't > actually > download these for true use - I'm thinking that it might be > valuable as an > opportunity to try before I buy. Does anyone have any experience > with these > files from Emule? If you do try it - I'd love to hear people's > results. > > I currently don't have any mapping software system, but I'd like to > learn, > and I'm wondering if this will work. > > Any thoughts or input greatly appreciated, > > Brian. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.

I have a question for Brian. He will not not like or think of me as nice after he thinks about his answer. As a software developer and a former automotive service manager, Brian, would you trust me to work on your boat or car if you knew that my tools were stolen? By the same token, would you trust me to not steal from you to have me fix your computer if you knew that most or all of my technical software that I was using to "fix" your computer was also stolen? I don't want to know your answer as I already know what your answer would be. Piracy of software is a very big problem here in the US. In Europe it is even worse. Think about it. Good luck. What goes around, comes around. Be an example to others through your words, deeds and actions. Another thought: Are you example to your children? Don't think they are watching EVERY move you make? If so, you are deluding yourself and your children Rick Redfern --- John Ford <johnpford@mac.com> wrote: > Brian this is a off list response to you. > Sorry to rain on the parade.. But the list can be > held liable for > talking about ways of bypassing or sharing of > copyrighted materials. > So if you could, please do not post anything else > about this subject. > > John Ford > PUP Admin > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Brian Chiko wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I've recently started using the peer to peer file > sharing utility > > called > > Emule that is available for free download here: > > > > http://www.emule.com/ > > > > Once you download the emule software, you can then > access millions > > of files > > that are being shared by the tens of millions of > people who have the > > software already. > > > > I've found that there are a ton of software > packages and mapping > > packages > > (e.g. MaxSea, Garmon, Emap, Cmap, Fugawi, Maptech, > Magellan, > > Navionics, etc) > > for virtually all areas of the world. There are > also many books and > > magazines related to yachts, sailing, etc. Many > in different > > languages too. > > > > I get the feeling that the sharing of these files > may not be > > totally legal, > > but the files are all there for the download. > While I wouldn't > > actually > > download these for true use - I'm thinking that it > might be > > valuable as an > > opportunity to try before I buy. Does anyone have > any experience > > with these > > files from Emule? If you do try it - I'd love to > hear people's > > results. > > > > I currently don't have any mapping software > system, but I'd like to > > learn, > > and I'm wondering if this will work. > > > > Any thoughts or input greatly appreciated, > > > > Brian. > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > > > To unsubscribe send email to > > > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com > with the word > > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or > body of the message. > > > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks > of Water World > > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World > Productions. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com > with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body > of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of > Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler > World Productions.

Hi all, lets close this subject down and move onto other fun boat subjects. Come on we just had a bunch of boats cross the Atlantic!! John Ford PUP Admin KK44 Feisty Lady 40 55.9212 N 73 40.5136 W Heading down the sound.. On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Rick Redfern wrote: > I have a question for Brian. > > He will not not like or think of me as nice > after he thinks about his answer. As a > software developer and a former automotive > service manager, Brian, would you trust me to > work on your boat or car if you knew that > my tools were stolen? > By the same token, would you trust me to > not steal from you to have me fix your computer > if you knew that most or all of my technical software > that I was using to "fix" your computer was also > stolen? > I don't want to know your answer as I already > know what your answer would be. > Piracy of software is a very big problem > here in the US. In Europe it is even worse. > > Think about it. > > Good luck. > What goes around, comes around. > Be an example to others through your > words, deeds and actions. Another thought: > Are you example to your children? > Don't think they are watching EVERY move you make? > If so, you are deluding yourself and your children > > Rick Redfern > > --- John Ford <johnpford@mac.com> wrote: > >> Brian this is a off list response to you. >> Sorry to rain on the parade.. But the list can be >> held liable for >> talking about ways of bypassing or sharing of >> copyrighted materials. >> So if you could, please do not post anything else >> about this subject. >> >> John Ford >> PUP Admin >> >> On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Brian Chiko wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I've recently started using the peer to peer file >> sharing utility >>> called >>> Emule that is available for free download here: >>> >>> http://www.emule.com/ >>> >>> Once you download the emule software, you can then >> access millions >>> of files >>> that are being shared by the tens of millions of >> people who have the >>> software already. >>> >>> I've found that there are a ton of software >> packages and mapping >>> packages >>> (e.g. MaxSea, Garmon, Emap, Cmap, Fugawi, Maptech, >> Magellan, >>> Navionics, etc) >>> for virtually all areas of the world. There are >> also many books and >>> magazines related to yachts, sailing, etc. Many >> in different >>> languages too. >>> >>> I get the feeling that the sharing of these files >> may not be >>> totally legal, >>> but the files are all there for the download. >> While I wouldn't >>> actually >>> download these for true use - I'm thinking that it >> might be >>> valuable as an >>> opportunity to try before I buy. Does anyone have >> any experience >>> with these >>> files from Emule? If you do try it - I'd love to >> hear people's >>> results. >>> >>> I currently don't have any mapping software >> system, but I'd like to >>> learn, >>> and I'm wondering if this will work. >>> >>> Any thoughts or input greatly appreciated, >>> >>> Brian. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power >>> >>> To unsubscribe send email to >>> >> passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com >> with the word >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or >> body of the message. >>> >>> Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks >> of Water World >>> Productions, formerly known as Trawler World >> Productions. >> _______________________________________________ >> > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power >> >> To unsubscribe send email to >> passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com >> with the word >> UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body >> of the message. >> >> Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of >> Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler >> World Productions. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.