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Re: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action requested

EuanM

Wed, Jan 27, 2016 4:26 PM

Alternatively Stef, it tells us "nothing good" about mind-share of
Smalltalks out there in the real world.

The current mindshare of Pharo is on a par with Lasso. The mindshare
of all Smalltalks is on a par with Julia or Objective C++

Commercial take-up is highly correlated with mindshare.

At some point, we need to address the mindshare issue directly, rather
than pretending it is irrelevant.

One of the models of tech uptake has a path that runs: contains
Development
Dismissal
Disappearance

If we're not even visible enough to have questionnaire's reflect our
approach, this is not a good sign. I don't think it necessarily
reflects poorly on the questionnaire's authors.

Regards,
Euan

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:12:32 +0100
From: stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@gmail.com

When I that behavior it tells me nothing good about the ?survey?

Stef

On 25 Jan 2016, at 20:05, Steven Kelly stevek@metacase.com wrote:

Darn, too slow:
?This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.?
Steve

From: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas, Arden
Sent: 25 January 2016 19:46
To: esug-list@lists.esug.org
Subject: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action requested
Importance: High

Dear Cincom Smalltalkers, Smalltalkers;

Last year at ESUG I noted that Smalltalk was not represented as a language on the Stack Overflow developer survey.

Smalltalk is a powerful language that is still unsurpassed in many ways.
A new generation of developers may have never heard of it!

I made it an action item to notify Smalltalk developers, customers and community, when the survey was open, so we could
collectively address this oversight.

The Stack Overflow developer survey is now open!

Question #9 & #10 on the second page asks about what language you use or want to use.

I filled in "Smalltalk". Later on it asks which environment you work in.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/so-2016

NOTE: Please fill-out as soon as possible as the survey will only be open for a short time and could close imminently.

https://www.facebook.com/cincomsmalltalk/posts/10153340529408365?comment_id=10153340568823365

Regards
Arden Thomas

Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager

Arden Thomas
Cincom Smalltalk STAR Team and Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager

CINCOM SYSTEMS, INC.
55 Merchant Street
Cincinnati, OH 45246

office

website
email

513-612-2300

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com
athomas@cincom.com

Less is More

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Alternatively Stef, it tells us "nothing good" about mind-share of Smalltalks out there in the real world. The current mindshare of Pharo is on a par with Lasso. The mindshare of all Smalltalks is on a par with Julia or Objective C++ Commercial take-up is highly correlated with mindshare. At some point, we need to address the mindshare issue directly, rather than pretending it is irrelevant. One of the models of tech uptake has a path that runs: contains Development Dismissal Disappearance If we're not even visible enough to have questionnaire's reflect our approach, this is not a good sign. I don't think it necessarily reflects poorly on the questionnaire's authors. Regards, Euan Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:12:32 +0100 From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@gmail.com> > When I that behavior it tells me nothing good about the ?survey? > > > Stef > > On 25 Jan 2016, at 20:05, Steven Kelly <stevek@metacase.com> wrote: > >> Darn, too slow: >> ?This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.? >> Steve >> >> From: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas, Arden >> Sent: 25 January 2016 19:46 >> To: esug-list@lists.esug.org >> Subject: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action requested >> Importance: High >> >> Dear Cincom Smalltalkers, Smalltalkers; >> >> Last year at ESUG I noted that Smalltalk was not represented as a language on the Stack Overflow developer survey. >> >> Smalltalk is a powerful language that is still unsurpassed in many ways. >> A new generation of developers may have never heard of it! >> >> I made it an action item to notify Smalltalk developers, customers and community, when the survey was open, so we could >> collectively address this oversight. >> >> The Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! >> >> Question #9 & #10 on the second page asks about what language you use or want to use. >> >> I filled in "Smalltalk". Later on it asks which environment you work in. >> >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/so-2016 >> >> NOTE: Please fill-out as soon as possible as the survey will only be open for a short time and could close imminently. >> >> https://www.facebook.com/cincomsmalltalk/posts/10153340529408365?comment_id=10153340568823365 >> >> Regards >> Arden Thomas >> >> Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >> >> >> >> Arden Thomas >> Cincom Smalltalk STAR Team and Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >> >> >> CINCOM SYSTEMS, INC. >> 55 Merchant Street >> Cincinnati, OH 45246 >> >> >> >> office >> >> website >> email >> >> 513-612-2300 >> >> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com >> athomas@cincom.com >> >> Less is More >> >> --- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT --- >> >> This e-mail transmission contains information that is intended to be privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the addressee named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited, please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list@lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

stephane ducasse

Thu, Jan 28, 2016 8:26 PM

When we cannot participate to a survey because the period is too short then I’m sorry but this is a crappy survey
and I know because we run surveys.

Alternatively Stef, it tells us "nothing good" about mind-share of
Smalltalks out there in the real world.

The current mindshare of Pharo is on a par with Lasso. The mindshare
of all Smalltalks is on a par with Julia or Objective C++

Commercial take-up is highly correlated with mindshare.

At some point, we need to address the mindshare issue directly, rather
than pretending it is irrelevant.

One of the models of tech uptake has a path that runs: contains
Development
Dismissal
Disappearance

If we're not even visible enough to have questionnaire's reflect our
approach, this is not a good sign. I don't think it necessarily
reflects poorly on the questionnaire's authors.

Regards,
Euan

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:12:32 +0100
From: stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@gmail.com

When I that behavior it tells me nothing good about the ?survey?

Stef

On 25 Jan 2016, at 20:05, Steven Kelly stevek@metacase.com wrote:

Darn, too slow:
?This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.?
Steve

From: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas, Arden
Sent: 25 January 2016 19:46
To: esug-list@lists.esug.org
Subject: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action requested
Importance: High

Dear Cincom Smalltalkers, Smalltalkers;

Last year at ESUG I noted that Smalltalk was not represented as a language on the Stack Overflow developer survey.

Smalltalk is a powerful language that is still unsurpassed in many ways.
A new generation of developers may have never heard of it!

I made it an action item to notify Smalltalk developers, customers and community, when the survey was open, so we could
collectively address this oversight.

The Stack Overflow developer survey is now open!

Question #9 & #10 on the second page asks about what language you use or want to use.

I filled in "Smalltalk". Later on it asks which environment you work in.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/so-2016

NOTE: Please fill-out as soon as possible as the survey will only be open for a short time and could close imminently.

https://www.facebook.com/cincomsmalltalk/posts/10153340529408365?comment_id=10153340568823365

Regards
Arden Thomas

Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager

Arden Thomas
Cincom Smalltalk STAR Team and Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager

CINCOM SYSTEMS, INC.
55 Merchant Street
Cincinnati, OH 45246

office

website
email

513-612-2300

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com
athomas@cincom.com

Less is More

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When we cannot participate to a survey because the period is too short then I’m sorry but this is a crappy survey and I know because we run surveys. > Alternatively Stef, it tells us "nothing good" about mind-share of > Smalltalks out there in the real world. > > The current mindshare of Pharo is on a par with Lasso. The mindshare > of all Smalltalks is on a par with Julia or Objective C++ > > Commercial take-up is highly correlated with mindshare. > > At some point, we need to address the mindshare issue directly, rather > than pretending it is irrelevant. > > One of the models of tech uptake has a path that runs: contains > Development > Dismissal > Disappearance > > If we're not even visible enough to have questionnaire's reflect our > approach, this is not a good sign. I don't think it necessarily > reflects poorly on the questionnaire's authors. > > Regards, > Euan > > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:12:32 +0100 > From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@gmail.com> >> When I that behavior it tells me nothing good about the ?survey? > > > > >> >> >> Stef >> >> On 25 Jan 2016, at 20:05, Steven Kelly <stevek@metacase.com> wrote: >> >>> Darn, too slow: >>> ?This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.? >>> Steve >>> >>> From: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas, Arden >>> Sent: 25 January 2016 19:46 >>> To: esug-list@lists.esug.org >>> Subject: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action requested >>> Importance: High >>> >>> Dear Cincom Smalltalkers, Smalltalkers; >>> >>> Last year at ESUG I noted that Smalltalk was not represented as a language on the Stack Overflow developer survey. >>> >>> Smalltalk is a powerful language that is still unsurpassed in many ways. >>> A new generation of developers may have never heard of it! >>> >>> I made it an action item to notify Smalltalk developers, customers and community, when the survey was open, so we could >>> collectively address this oversight. >>> >>> The Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! >>> >>> Question #9 & #10 on the second page asks about what language you use or want to use. >>> >>> I filled in "Smalltalk". Later on it asks which environment you work in. >>> >>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/so-2016 >>> >>> NOTE: Please fill-out as soon as possible as the survey will only be open for a short time and could close imminently. >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/cincomsmalltalk/posts/10153340529408365?comment_id=10153340568823365 >>> >>> Regards >>> Arden Thomas >>> >>> Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >>> >>> >>> >>> Arden Thomas >>> Cincom Smalltalk STAR Team and Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >>> >>> >>> CINCOM SYSTEMS, INC. >>> 55 Merchant Street >>> Cincinnati, OH 45246 >>> >>> >>> >>> office >>> >>> website >>> email >>> >>> 513-612-2300 >>> >>> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com >>> athomas@cincom.com >>> >>> Less is More >>> >>> --- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT --- >>> >>> This e-mail transmission contains information that is intended to be privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the addressee named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited, please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list@lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >>