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C. Marin Faure

Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:07 PM

...my posts show up to him as a three foot long string....

In the e-mail daily digest I get your posts are formatted the same as
all the rest of them. However if I open the T&T archives on the
website and read the list there, your posts do indeed stretch far
beyond the right-hand page limit. I have seen this from time to time
from other posters as well, although it's very rare. I do not
receive the posts to the list on an individual e-mail basis, so I
can't tell you how they appear in that mode. But in the digest they
look fine. I'm using an Apple MacBook with Apple's own "Mail"
application. At work I use a Dell laptop with M/S Outlook.

C. Marin Faure
GB36-403 "La Perouse"
Bellingham, Washington

>...my posts show up to him as a three foot long string.... In the e-mail daily digest I get your posts are formatted the same as all the rest of them. However if I open the T&T archives on the website and read the list there, your posts do indeed stretch far beyond the right-hand page limit. I have seen this from time to time from other posters as well, although it's very rare. I do not receive the posts to the list on an individual e-mail basis, so I can't tell you how they appear in that mode. But in the digest they look fine. I'm using an Apple MacBook with Apple's own "Mail" application. At work I use a Dell laptop with M/S Outlook. ____________________ C. Marin Faure GB36-403 "La Perouse" Bellingham, Washington

CA

Chuck and Susan

Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:23 PM

Thanks for that, but is there something I can do to correct this? Chuck

To follow our adventures, go to

http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/

http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, C. Marin Faure cmfaure@earthlink.net wrote:

In the e-mail daily digest I get your posts are formatted
the same as
all the rest of them. However if I open the T&T
archives on the
website and read the list there, your posts do indeed
stretch far
beyond the right-hand page limit. I have seen this from
time to time
from other posters as well, although it's very rare. I
do not
receive the posts to the list on an individual e-mail
basis, so I
can't tell you how they appear in that mode. But in
the digest they
look fine. I'm using an Apple MacBook with Apple's
own "Mail"
application. At work I use a Dell laptop with M/S Outlook.

Thanks for that, but is there something I can do to correct this? Chuck To follow our adventures, go to http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/ http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/ --- On Thu, 1/15/09, C. Marin Faure <cmfaure@earthlink.net> wrote: > > In the e-mail daily digest I get your posts are formatted > the same as > all the rest of them. However if I open the T&T > archives on the > website and read the list there, your posts do indeed > stretch far > beyond the right-hand page limit. I have seen this from > time to time > from other posters as well, although it's very rare. I > do not > receive the posts to the list on an individual e-mail > basis, so I > can't tell you how they appear in that mode. But in > the digest they > look fine. I'm using an Apple MacBook with Apple's > own "Mail" > application. At work I use a Dell laptop with M/S Outlook.

SH

Scott H.E. Welch

Fri, Jan 16, 2009 1:03 AM

sea_trek_2000@yahoo.com writes:

Thanks for that, but is there something I can do to correct this? Chuck

Yes, probably. For reasons lost in the sands of antiquity (well, OK, a
Teletype machine) the end of a line was not denoted by a single "end of line"
character, but by two characters: "carriage return" (known as CR) and "line
feed" (LF). Since early computers used teletype-style terminals for input and
output, this somewhat strange tradition was carried on: the end of a line
was/is terminated with both a CR and an LF.

Later and more modern computers have played fast and loose with this,
however. First, some operating systems will allow you to use either a CR or
and LF, and they will be treated as a CR/LF pair. On the other hand, some
didn't. That's why terminals (remember those) had a weird cryptic setting
that allowed you to control this. When it was set wrong, you would always get
double-spaced lines.

In the modern world, text display systems (e.g. MS Word, a web browser)
simply flow text on the fly. There is no end of line, only the end of a
paragraph. The lines are reflowed depending on the width of the window. When
that text is sent out via certain email application, each paragraph becomes a
"line" since it has no CR/LF.

I would guess that Chuck's problem is that he is either (a) composing the
messages in an editor that does not use CR/LF, maybe MS Word, and then
pasting it into his email client, or (b) he is using an email client with a
similar wonky editor. Or he's composing his messages on a circa-1985 terminal
with the CR/LF set wrong :-)

Scott Welch
Product Manager, Open Text Collaboration Solutions Group
www.firstclass.com

"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn
out." - John Wooden

sea_trek_2000@yahoo.com writes: >Thanks for that, but is there something I can do to correct this? Chuck Yes, probably. For reasons lost in the sands of antiquity (well, OK, a Teletype machine) the end of a line was not denoted by a single "end of line" character, but by two characters: "carriage return" (known as CR) and "line feed" (LF). Since early computers used teletype-style terminals for input and output, this somewhat strange tradition was carried on: the end of a line was/is terminated with both a CR and an LF. Later and more modern computers have played fast and loose with this, however. First, some operating systems will allow you to use either a CR or and LF, and they will be treated as a CR/LF pair. On the other hand, some didn't. That's why terminals (remember those) had a weird cryptic setting that allowed you to control this. When it was set wrong, you would always get double-spaced lines. In the modern world, text display systems (e.g. MS Word, a web browser) simply flow text on the fly. There is no end of line, only the end of a paragraph. The lines are reflowed depending on the width of the window. When that text is sent out via certain email application, each paragraph becomes a "line" since it has no CR/LF. I would guess that Chuck's problem is that he is either (a) composing the messages in an editor that does not use CR/LF, maybe MS Word, and then pasting it into his email client, or (b) he is using an email client with a similar wonky editor. Or he's composing his messages on a circa-1985 terminal with the CR/LF set wrong :-) Scott Welch Product Manager, Open Text Collaboration Solutions Group www.firstclass.com "Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out." - John Wooden

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Chuck and Susan

Fri, Jan 16, 2009 1:24 AM

Sorry Scott but running a new Toshiba Laptop with Windows Vista and composing the posts on Yahoo email directly. So still no answer. Chuck

To follow our adventures, go to

http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/

http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Scott H.E. Welch scott@firstclass.com wrote:

I would guess that Chuck's problem is that he is either
(a) composing the
messages in an editor that does not use CR/LF, maybe MS
Word, and then
pasting it into his email client, or (b) he is using an
email client with a
similar wonky editor. Or he's composing his messages on
a circa-1985 terminal
with the CR/LF set wrong :-)

Sorry Scott but running a new Toshiba Laptop with Windows Vista and composing the posts on Yahoo email directly. So still no answer. Chuck To follow our adventures, go to http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/ http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/ --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Scott H.E. Welch <scott@firstclass.com> wrote: > > I would guess that Chuck's problem is that he is either > (a) composing the > messages in an editor that does not use CR/LF, maybe MS > Word, and then > pasting it into his email client, or (b) he is using an > email client with a > similar wonky editor. Or he's composing his messages on > a circa-1985 terminal > with the CR/LF set wrong :-)

KM

Keith McGregor

Fri, Jan 16, 2009 3:12 AM

Scott -
I have been in IT for more than 20 years and have never gotten an
explanation as why there is a CRLF to end a line.

I must say, though, that Chuck's message come thru fine at my end. I use
gmail and a browser (Firefox) to read these messages. Perhaps chuck is
using Outlook and Word is his editor. This would not require the
cut-n-paste you mentioned.

keith

Scott - I have been in IT for more than 20 years and have never gotten an explanation as why there is a CRLF to end a line. I must say, though, that Chuck's message come thru fine at my end. I use gmail and a browser (Firefox) to read these messages. Perhaps chuck is using Outlook and Word is his editor. This would not require the cut-n-paste you mentioned. keith

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Chuck and Susan

Fri, Jan 16, 2009 3:27 AM

Guys, I have said I am typing this and every post in Yahoo mail in the little box and not using Word, Works or anything other than my two little fingers. Can't seem to find any adjustable settings in Yahoo. Does not seem to be any rhyme or reason but I just wanted to be sure I wasn't causing an issue on the board. Thanks for your responses. Chuck

To follow our adventures, go to

http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/

http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Keith McGregor keith.kmcgregor@gmail.com wrote:

I must say, though, that Chuck's message come thru
fine at my end. I use
gmail and a browser (Firefox) to read these messages.
Perhaps chuck is
using Outlook and Word is his editor. This would not
require the
cut-n-paste you mentioned.

keith

Guys, I have said I am typing this and every post in Yahoo mail in the little box and not using Word, Works or anything other than my two little fingers. Can't seem to find any adjustable settings in Yahoo. Does not seem to be any rhyme or reason but I just wanted to be sure I wasn't causing an issue on the board. Thanks for your responses. Chuck To follow our adventures, go to http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/ http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/ --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Keith McGregor <keith.kmcgregor@gmail.com> wrote: > I must say, though, that Chuck's message come thru > fine at my end. I use > gmail and a browser (Firefox) to read these messages. > Perhaps chuck is > using Outlook and Word is his editor. This would not > require the > cut-n-paste you mentioned. > > keith

PB

Peter Bennett

Fri, Jan 16, 2009 3:53 AM

In some message editors, there will be an option to select "auto wrap
at nn characters, and many message viewers will auto-wrap un-wrapped
messages at the right margin.

As long as at least one of the sender or viewer does wrapping, things
will look fine - I don't see any problems since my mail program will
auto-wrap received messages if necessary.

Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:27:48 PM, Chuck wrote:

CaS> Guys, I have said I am typing this and every post in Yahoo mail
CaS> in the little box and not using Word, Works or anything other
CaS> than my two little fingers. Can't seem to find any adjustable
CaS> settings in Yahoo. Does not seem to be any rhyme or reason but I
CaS> just wanted to be sure I wasn't causing an issue on the board.
CaS> Thanks for your responses. Chuck

CaS> To follow our adventures, go to

CaS> http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/

CaS> http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/

CaS> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Keith McGregor keith.kmcgregor@gmail.com wrote:
CaS>

I must say, though, that Chuck's message come thru
fine at my end. I use
gmail and a browser (Firefox) to read these messages.
Perhaps chuck is
using Outlook and Word is his editor. This would not
require the
cut-n-paste you mentioned.

keith

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In some message editors, there will be an option to select "auto wrap at nn characters, and many message viewers will auto-wrap un-wrapped messages at the right margin. As long as at least one of the sender or viewer does wrapping, things will look fine - I don't see any problems since my mail program will auto-wrap received messages if necessary. Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:27:48 PM, Chuck wrote: CaS> Guys, I have said I am typing this and every post in Yahoo mail CaS> in the little box and not using Word, Works or anything other CaS> than my two little fingers. Can't seem to find any adjustable CaS> settings in Yahoo. Does not seem to be any rhyme or reason but I CaS> just wanted to be sure I wasn't causing an issue on the board. CaS> Thanks for your responses. Chuck CaS> To follow our adventures, go to CaS> http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/ CaS> http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/ CaS> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Keith McGregor <keith.kmcgregor@gmail.com> wrote: CaS> >> I must say, though, that Chuck's message come thru >> fine at my end. I use >> gmail and a browser (Firefox) to read these messages. >> Perhaps chuck is >> using Outlook and Word is his editor. This would not >> require the >> cut-n-paste you mentioned. >> >> keith CaS> _______________________________________________ CaS> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering CaS> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get CaS> password, change email address, etc) go to: CaS> http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering CaS> Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World CaS> Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada Ennos 31 "Honeycomb" GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

JF

John Ford

Fri, Jan 16, 2009 4:01 AM

I think this may be the answer, give it a shot

http://mailformat.dan.info/config/yahoo.html

The most important configuration option for Yahoo Mail is not in the
configuration section. It's the choice of whether to send as plain
text or HTML, and it's made on the Compose screen. You should always
stick to plain text, not HTML, in Yahoo Mail, not only because of the
many problems of HTML mail, but also because, when HTML is enabled,
Yahoo does not put any line breaks in messages other than between
paragraphs (even in the plain-text version of the multipart message),
thus putting your messages in violation of the line length standards.

John Ford
PUP Admin

On Jan 15, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Chuck and Susan wrote:

Can't seem to find any adjustable settings in Yahoo.

I think this may be the answer, give it a shot http://mailformat.dan.info/config/yahoo.html The most important configuration option for Yahoo Mail is not in the configuration section. It's the choice of whether to send as plain text or HTML, and it's made on the Compose screen. You should always stick to plain text, not HTML, in Yahoo Mail, not only because of the many problems of HTML mail, but also because, when HTML is enabled, Yahoo does not put any line breaks in messages other than between paragraphs (even in the plain-text version of the multipart message), thus putting your messages in violation of the line length standards. John Ford PUP Admin On Jan 15, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Chuck and Susan wrote: > Can't seem to find any adjustable settings in Yahoo.

JF

John Ford

Fri, Jan 16, 2009 4:04 AM

And here is a longer one with the answer at the end, but a bit of
history before that.

http://mailformat.dan.info/body/linelength.html

John Ford
PUP Admin

And here is a longer one with the answer at the end, but a bit of history before that. http://mailformat.dan.info/body/linelength.html John Ford PUP Admin

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Chuck and Susan

Fri, Jan 16, 2009 5:53 AM

Thanks John but HTML is not enabled and I always use only plain text. Chuck

To follow our adventures, go to

http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/

http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, John Ford johnpford@mac.com wrote:

From: John Ford johnpford@mac.com

I think this may be the answer, give it a shot

http://mailformat.dan.info/config/yahoo.html

The most important configuration option for Yahoo Mail is
not in the configuration section. It's the choice of
whether to send as plain text or HTML, and it's made on
the Compose screen. You should always stick to plain text,
not HTML, in Yahoo Mail, not only because of the many
problems of HTML mail, but also because, when HTML is
enabled, Yahoo does not put any line breaks in messages
other than between paragraphs (even in the plain-text
version of the multipart message), thus putting your
messages in violation of the line length standards.

Thanks John but HTML is not enabled and I always use only plain text. Chuck To follow our adventures, go to http://trawler-beach-house.blogspot.com/ http://sea-trek.blogspot.com/ --- On Thu, 1/15/09, John Ford <johnpford@mac.com> wrote: > From: John Ford <johnpford@mac.com> > I think this may be the answer, give it a shot > > http://mailformat.dan.info/config/yahoo.html > > The most important configuration option for Yahoo Mail is > not in the configuration section. It's the choice of > whether to send as plain text or HTML, and it's made on > the Compose screen. You should always stick to plain text, > not HTML, in Yahoo Mail, not only because of the many > problems of HTML mail, but also because, when HTML is > enabled, Yahoo does not put any line breaks in messages > other than between paragraphs (even in the plain-text > version of the multipart message), thus putting your > messages in violation of the line length standards.

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