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BriMDavis@aol.com
Wed, Oct 21, 2009 1:45 AM

Luis wrote:

I'm looking for the schemes used on the frequency synthesizers
that change frequency in few microseconds time (or less)

<snip>

Does anyone know of some paper or tech notes from
some instrument or modules that show block diagrams
of such?

I've never done much with fast PLL's, but here's some references
for direct analog and direct digital synthesizers:


One of the "classic" synthesizer books that covers direct
synthesis techniques is available in a reasonably priced
paperback reprint ( but the photos aren't as nice as I
recall from the original hardcover ):

Frequency Synthesizers: Theory and Design, Third Edition
Vadim Manassewitsch
Wiley-Interscience
http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/
0471772631/

(http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/0471772631/)


My favorite DDS book reprints many of the classic DDS papers:

Direct Digital Frequency Synthesizers
V. Kroupa (ed)
IEEE Press
http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/07
80334388

(http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/0780334388)


Another good reprint to have on hand, but not specific to
your fast-switching question, is the following:

Phase Noise in Signal Sources (Theory and Application)
W. P. Robins
Peter Peregrinus Ltd / IEE
http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X
/

(http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X/)


This web page about the HP 51xx family includes some HP direct synthesis
app notes and articles:

http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm
(http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm)
http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf
(http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf)


Rick Karlquist's UFFC papers are a great read on direct synthesizer
topology, albeit geared towards a specific application:

http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf)
http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf)


For IEEE/UFFC members, the UFFC archive is a good resource for
synthesizer design info:

http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp
(http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp)


The basic Comstron frequency plan is summarized in their 1988 patent:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786
(http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786)

The Comstrons make great lab synthesizers, and are often available
cheap on e$ay but I'd advise keeping a spares unit on hand for
troubleshooting and repair.


have fun,
Brian

Luis wrote: > > I'm looking for the schemes used on the frequency synthesizers > that change frequency in few microseconds time (or less) <snip> > > Does anyone know of some paper or tech notes from > some instrument or modules that show block diagrams > of such? > I've never done much with fast PLL's, but here's some references for direct analog and direct digital synthesizers: ----------- One of the "classic" synthesizer books that covers direct synthesis techniques is available in a reasonably priced paperback reprint ( but the photos aren't as nice as I recall from the original hardcover ): Frequency Synthesizers: Theory and Design, Third Edition Vadim Manassewitsch Wiley-Interscience _http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/ 0471772631/_ (http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/0471772631/) ----------- My favorite DDS book reprints many of the classic DDS papers: Direct Digital Frequency Synthesizers V. Kroupa (ed) IEEE Press _http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/07 80334388_ (http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/0780334388) ----------- Another good reprint to have on hand, but not specific to your fast-switching question, is the following: Phase Noise in Signal Sources (Theory and Application) W. P. Robins Peter Peregrinus Ltd / IEE _http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X /_ (http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X/) ----------- This web page about the HP 51xx family includes some HP direct synthesis app notes and articles: _http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm_ (http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm) _http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf_ (http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf) ----------- Rick Karlquist's UFFC papers are a great read on direct synthesizer topology, albeit geared towards a specific application: _http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf_ (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf) _http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf_ (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf) ----------- For IEEE/UFFC members, the UFFC archive is a good resource for synthesizer design info: _http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp_ (http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp) ----------- The basic Comstron frequency plan is summarized in their 1988 patent: _http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786_ (http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786) The Comstrons make great lab synthesizers, and are often available cheap on e$ay but I'd advise keeping a spares unit on hand for troubleshooting and repair. ----------- have fun, Brian
BC
Brooke Clarke
Wed, Oct 21, 2009 2:19 AM

Hi:

The HP 5100 provides extremely fast frequency transitions.  It was used to
generate a 2 to 30 MHz sweep that was close to phase coherent.  See:
http://www.prc68.com/I/HP5100.shtml

No PLLs used, just arithmetic.

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.prc68.com

BriMDavis@aol.com wrote:

Luis wrote:

I'm looking for the schemes used on the frequency synthesizers
that change frequency in few microseconds time (or less)

<snip>

Does anyone know of some paper or tech notes from
some instrument or modules that show block diagrams
of such?

I've never done much with fast PLL's, but here's some references
for direct analog and direct digital synthesizers:


One of the "classic" synthesizer books that covers direct
synthesis techniques is available in a reasonably priced
paperback reprint ( but the photos aren't as nice as I
recall from the original hardcover ):

Frequency Synthesizers: Theory and Design, Third Edition
Vadim Manassewitsch
Wiley-Interscience
http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/
0471772631/

(http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/0471772631/)


My favorite DDS book reprints many of the classic DDS papers:

Direct Digital Frequency Synthesizers
V. Kroupa (ed)
IEEE Press
http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/07
80334388

(http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/0780334388)


Another good reprint to have on hand, but not specific to
your fast-switching question, is the following:

Phase Noise in Signal Sources (Theory and Application)
W. P. Robins
Peter Peregrinus Ltd / IEE
http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X
/

(http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X/)


This web page about the HP 51xx family includes some HP direct synthesis
app notes and articles:

http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm
(http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm)
http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf
(http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf)


Rick Karlquist's UFFC papers are a great read on direct synthesizer
topology, albeit geared towards a specific application:

http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf)
http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf)


For IEEE/UFFC members, the UFFC archive is a good resource for
synthesizer design info:

http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp
(http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp)


The basic Comstron frequency plan is summarized in their 1988 patent:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786
(http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786)

The Comstrons make great lab synthesizers, and are often available
cheap on e$ay but I'd advise keeping a spares unit on hand for
troubleshooting and repair.


have fun,
Brian


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Hi: The HP 5100 provides extremely fast frequency transitions. It was used to generate a 2 to 30 MHz sweep that was close to phase coherent. See: http://www.prc68.com/I/HP5100.shtml No PLLs used, just arithmetic. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com BriMDavis@aol.com wrote: > Luis wrote: >> I'm looking for the schemes used on the frequency synthesizers >> that change frequency in few microseconds time (or less) > <snip> >> Does anyone know of some paper or tech notes from >> some instrument or modules that show block diagrams >> of such? >> > > I've never done much with fast PLL's, but here's some references > for direct analog and direct digital synthesizers: > > ----------- > > One of the "classic" synthesizer books that covers direct > synthesis techniques is available in a reasonably priced > paperback reprint ( but the photos aren't as nice as I > recall from the original hardcover ): > > Frequency Synthesizers: Theory and Design, Third Edition > Vadim Manassewitsch > Wiley-Interscience > _http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/ > 0471772631/_ > (http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/0471772631/) > > ----------- > > My favorite DDS book reprints many of the classic DDS papers: > > Direct Digital Frequency Synthesizers > V. Kroupa (ed) > IEEE Press > _http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/07 > 80334388_ > (http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/0780334388) > > ----------- > > Another good reprint to have on hand, but not specific to > your fast-switching question, is the following: > > Phase Noise in Signal Sources (Theory and Application) > W. P. Robins > Peter Peregrinus Ltd / IEE > _http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X > /_ > (http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X/) > > ----------- > > This web page about the HP 51xx family includes some HP direct synthesis > app notes and articles: > > _http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm_ > (http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm) > _http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf_ > (http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf) > > ----------- > > Rick Karlquist's UFFC papers are a great read on direct synthesizer > topology, albeit geared towards a specific application: > > _http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf_ (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf) > _http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf_ (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf) > > ----------- > > For IEEE/UFFC members, the UFFC archive is a good resource for > synthesizer design info: > > _http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp_ > (http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp) > > ----------- > > The basic Comstron frequency plan is summarized in their 1988 patent: > > _http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786_ > (http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786) > > The Comstrons make great lab synthesizers, and are often available > cheap on e$ay but I'd advise keeping a spares unit on hand for > troubleshooting and repair. > > ----------- > > > have fun, > Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
LC
Luis Cupido
Wed, Oct 21, 2009 6:55 PM

Brian,

Wow, a lot of nice reading I have here.
Thanks.

Luis Cupido.
ct1dmk.

BriMDavis@aol.com wrote:

Luis wrote:

I'm looking for the schemes used on the frequency synthesizers
that change frequency in few microseconds time (or less)

<snip>

Does anyone know of some paper or tech notes from
some instrument or modules that show block diagrams
of such?

I've never done much with fast PLL's, but here's some references
for direct analog and direct digital synthesizers:


One of the "classic" synthesizer books that covers direct
synthesis techniques is available in a reasonably priced
paperback reprint ( but the photos aren't as nice as I
recall from the original hardcover ):

Frequency Synthesizers: Theory and Design, Third Edition
Vadim Manassewitsch
Wiley-Interscience
http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/
0471772631/

(http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/0471772631/)


My favorite DDS book reprints many of the classic DDS papers:

Direct Digital Frequency Synthesizers
V. Kroupa (ed)
IEEE Press
http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/07
80334388

(http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/0780334388)


Another good reprint to have on hand, but not specific to
your fast-switching question, is the following:

Phase Noise in Signal Sources (Theory and Application)
W. P. Robins
Peter Peregrinus Ltd / IEE
http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X
/

(http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X/)


This web page about the HP 51xx family includes some HP direct synthesis
app notes and articles:

http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm
(http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm)
http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf
(http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf)


Rick Karlquist's UFFC papers are a great read on direct synthesizer
topology, albeit geared towards a specific application:

http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf)
http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf)


For IEEE/UFFC members, the UFFC archive is a good resource for
synthesizer design info:

http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp
(http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp)


The basic Comstron frequency plan is summarized in their 1988 patent:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786
(http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786)

The Comstrons make great lab synthesizers, and are often available
cheap on e$ay but I'd advise keeping a spares unit on hand for
troubleshooting and repair.


have fun,
Brian


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Brian, Wow, a lot of nice reading I have here. Thanks. Luis Cupido. ct1dmk. BriMDavis@aol.com wrote: > Luis wrote: >> I'm looking for the schemes used on the frequency synthesizers >> that change frequency in few microseconds time (or less) > <snip> >> Does anyone know of some paper or tech notes from >> some instrument or modules that show block diagrams >> of such? >> > > I've never done much with fast PLL's, but here's some references > for direct analog and direct digital synthesizers: > > ----------- > > One of the "classic" synthesizer books that covers direct > synthesis techniques is available in a reasonably priced > paperback reprint ( but the photos aren't as nice as I > recall from the original hardcover ): > > Frequency Synthesizers: Theory and Design, Third Edition > Vadim Manassewitsch > Wiley-Interscience > _http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/ > 0471772631/_ > (http://www.amazon.com/Frequency-Synthesizers-Theory-Vadim-Manassewitsch/dp/0471772631/) > > ----------- > > My favorite DDS book reprints many of the classic DDS papers: > > Direct Digital Frequency Synthesizers > V. Kroupa (ed) > IEEE Press > _http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/07 > 80334388_ > (http://www.amazon.com/Direct-Digital-Frequency-Synthesizers-Venceslav/dp/0780334388) > > ----------- > > Another good reprint to have on hand, but not specific to > your fast-switching question, is the following: > > Phase Noise in Signal Sources (Theory and Application) > W. P. Robins > Peter Peregrinus Ltd / IEE > _http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X > /_ > (http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Signal-Sources-Theory-Application/dp/086341026X/) > > ----------- > > This web page about the HP 51xx family includes some HP direct synthesis > app notes and articles: > > _http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm_ > (http://www.hpmemory.org/news/5100/hp5100_page_00.htm) > _http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf_ > (http://www.hpmemory.org/an/pdf/an_96.pdf) > > ----------- > > Rick Karlquist's UFFC papers are a great read on direct synthesizer > topology, albeit geared towards a specific application: > > _http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf_ (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS95.pdf) > _http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf_ (http://www.karlquist.com/FCS96.pdf) > > ----------- > > For IEEE/UFFC members, the UFFC archive is a good resource for > synthesizer design info: > > _http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp_ > (http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/publications/fcs/index.asp) > > ----------- > > The basic Comstron frequency plan is summarized in their 1988 patent: > > _http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786_ > (http://www.google.com/patents?id=bgA7AAAAEBAJ&dq=4725786) > > The Comstrons make great lab synthesizers, and are often available > cheap on e$ay but I'd advise keeping a spares unit on hand for > troubleshooting and repair. > > ----------- > > > have fun, > Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >